JANUARY 5: The Bills released a statement Thursday morning indicating Hamlin has shown “remarkable improvement” over the past day. The team said (via Twitter) Hamlin’s lungs continue to heal, and members of his family informed NFL.com’s Cameron Wolfe that the young defender is neurologically intact (video link). While the Bills statement said Hamlin remains “critically ill,” Ian Rapoport of NFL.com reports he opened his eyes Wednesday night (Twitter links).
Doctors believe Hamlin is ahead of schedule in his recovery, according to Dianna Russini of ESPN.com (on Twitter). Damar’s father, Mario Hamlin, addressed the team Wednesday and informed the players of the progress his son has made, Adam Schefter of ESPN.com tweets.
JANUARY 4: Damar Hamlin remains under sedation in the intensive care unit at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, but updates continue to emerge. Hamlin’s recovery effort is “moving in a positive direction,” according to his marketing representative (via NFL.com’s Cameron Wolfe, video link). Hamlin remains in critical condition; the Bills recently announced (via Twitter) he has shown signs of improvement.
Hamlin is on a ventilator, and reports indicated he had progressed from needing 100% of the ventilator’s oxygen to requiring around 50% by Tuesday night. Hamlin’s agent also said his client’s oxygen levels have improved, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com adds. Wednesday morning, doctors have seen the “promising readings” they had hoped for by this point, Coley Harvey of ESPN.com reports (on Twitter).
Medical personnel performed CPR on Hamlin for multiple minutes. Although Hamlin’s uncle indicated resuscitation was twice required following his nephew’s cardiac arrest, the family said Wednesday (via Harvey, on Twitter) the 24-year-old defensive back only needed to be resuscitated once. That instance occurred on the field at Paycor Stadium.
Hamlin’s first-quarter tackle on Tee Higgins, which led to the cardiac arrest and an ambulance transporting the second-year safety to the hospital, initially preceded a short stretch in which it looked like the Bills-Bengals game would resume. The NFL has pushed back on the reported five-minute warmup period initially announced by ESPN, but Albert Breer of SI.com notes (via Twitter) multiple Bengals coaches heard “five minutes” — a usual timeframe following a major injury — regarding a return to play.
The ensuing on-field meeting between Sean McDermott and Zac Taylor led to the players returning to the locker room, Breer adds. Taylor said Wednesday that McDermott told him, “I need to be at the hospital with Damar and I shouldn’t be coaching this game.” The two teams re-emerged from their respective locker rooms in street clothes, shifting their full focuses toward Hamlin.
The NFL has not announced a resumption date for the Week 17 matchup. Bills players traveled back to Buffalo on Tuesday morning. The team remains scheduled to host the Patriots on Sunday. Rather than going through a typical Wednesday practice ahead of a Sunday game, the Bills announced they will hold a walkthrough.
No one should be worried about the game. Any progress for Hamlin is great progress. He seems like a quality guy by all accounts and I wish him and his family a full and speedy recovery.
oh don’t worry.
greedy nfl will give us a whole week dedicated to this guy
Wow I thought there was no way back from this barring a miracle I pray we will witness one
He still obviously has a long fight ahead of him but I felt the same way as you did. It’s encouraging to see some positive news.
The fact he’s progressing is great news.
Unfortunately the league doesn’t have a lot of time since we are in the last week of the season and this game does impact multiple teams regarding playoffs. A decision does need to be made one way or another. I’m fine with tie or no content and game just never happened so their record would reflect 16 games not 17. But there’s certainly other options.
Call it a tie
No contest neither team receives win or loss on record
Do some kind of tie breaker – coin flip, fg contest like horse shootout skills competition, college overtime rules.
Eliminate 1st round bye and go to 8 team playoff format
Eliminate the probowl or push pro bowl to say Saturday before Superbowl Sunday
The Pro Bowl is not happening anymore. That’s why this is so easy. Push the playoffs a week to the right. Superbowl stays where it is. Bills-Bengals on what would have been wildcard weekend. The solution is so simple it’s ridiculous.
No that gives bye week teams 2 weeks off and all playoff teams one week off except for bills and cincy. Wild card teams would be more rested then them. The game was canclled for player safety. Thats all it needs to be.
Players safety and time off between games?!? The NFL never cared about that before, teams have played Sunday and then flown cross country to play again on Thursday. Teams have historically played 3 games in 11 days, so extra time off for some shouldn’t be an issue.
During Superbowl it is more important and critical. I want to see two teams that have been abe to recover from bumps and bruises. Time to prepare. As we know most of time..game is blowout but the time is critical. Also ts a time fo players to enjoy it…not rush it.
I agree that is a huge disadvantage for the Bills and Bengals. So do as you say , but move all games with playoff implications to next week. Then Bengals vs Bills and play the other games this weekend.
The pro bowl is happening. Feb 5th. It is actually a week long event. Main day is Feb 5th. It is more of a series of skill events and flag football NFL and ticket Master have been selling tickets since December..rosters were announced several weeks ago. Your plan is not as easy as sounds…you are also penalizing Buffalo and having them travel a extra week for a game and teams will not have the two weeks to prepare for superbowl. 1 week mainly rest up..prepare and second
week prepare and super bowl functions.
It is a tight window to add another game right now
Schedule a 2nd Monday night affair, been done before or add it to a
Are you saying that Bill’s Cinn should play Monday night?
Just go with the score of the game when they suspended the game.
Yeah, that’s completely fair. Had the teams known they would only have 9 minutes to play, the game plans would have drastically differed. You can’t count 1/6 of a game; that would be like playing 1.5 innings of baseball and counting that as a game.
At least counting it as a tie would be a neutral outcome
If you were to resolve this issue with the tools at their disposal I think the cleanest solution would be a Buffalo forfeit.
But Buffalo didn’t forfeit. Both teams agreed to stop playing. Even if that weren’t the case, are you suggesting the Bills be punished because they didn’t want to continue playing when a player’s life was at risk?
If Hamlin is still intubated will they play this week? His life would still be at risk. My point was that it’s the cleanest most graceful solution using the tools currently at their disposal. Now they will invent new tools, no big. Woulda been a much easier L to swallow than the big one and we’d be past this. Not sure how you gracefully put the genie back in the bottle now. No disrespect to the bills organization their fans or Mr Hamlin
I suppose I don’t understand your meaning of “clean” in this case
This wouldn’t just screw over the Bills. It’s screws the Ravens too. Game needs to be played. It’d going to have to be next week. Hopefully by then Damar will be able to watch it on TV.
Prayers for recovery!
Having experienced cardiac arrest and been fibulated (7X), coma for 5 days, getting to normal isn’t ‘days’ away it’s months. He being in tremendous physical conditioning helps though it’s still a process.
Good roads ahead for him and family – hope the league treats him proper and provides all the medical support needed!
I’m happy to hear that he’s making progress. I really have nothing to add to this conversation except to say that I hope he is able to live a full life from here on out! Get well soon Damar!
Great news about Damar! If they don’t resume playing the game I don’t think there is a totally fair way to make a decision. Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati and KC could all be impacted if the game isn’t played. If Baltimore beats Cincinnati on Sunday I think the game will be played. If Cincinnati wins on Sunday I don’t think they replay the game.
McDermott gained a big fan with this news. The NFL probably was pushing to continue this game. But even if they weren’t, the balls you’ve got to look at the other coach, with the world watching you on prime time in a game with huge playoff implications to say “I need to be at the hospital with Damar, I have no business coaching this game.” is the person I want leading my team.
Sorry, but I don’t want any kind of medical treatment at a facility where marketing reps apparently know more than the doctors.
We’ve seen a lot of cardiac issues in athletes. More so in recent memory than I’ve ever seen or remember. Our local sports radio was discussing how something around 1500 athletes around the world have had cardiac issues with a 60-70% fatality rate last year or 2.
Thankfully Hamlin is alive and seems to be on the road to recovery. But I hope the nfl and other leagues take notice and look into it so we hopefully don’t have to witness something like this again. Earlier this year jj watt had to have his heart shocked back into rhythm.
Your local sports radio was propagating debunked nonsense. Tucker Carlson cited a letter that cited a blog, and that blog’s list included people who had died of cancer or in their 80s, and now people pass along the 1500 number uncritically.
So you counter their bogus claim with some absurd conspiracy theory claim someone else probably said about them. Well that’s certainly how the world works these days.
Anyways. We don’t need anymore cardiac issues in athletes. So I hope leagues investigate. Maybe its intensity of training. Maybe it’s certain things they’re giving athletes like supplements or stuff. Maybe it’s nothing at all and genetic stuff. But end of the day I hope we stop seeing and hearing about stuff like this.
What absurd conspiracy theory? It’s literally what happened to put that 1500 number out in the world.
Sure it is. And you heard this from a third fourth fifth party source just like I did right? Heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend.
Anyways. Point still remains. The league should look into the matter and hopefully we don’t have to witness it again. I mean the league got caught covering up cte for years so I don’t have much hope. God only knows what we will find out 20 years from now about what the league covered up regarding heart related issues.
No, the AP posted a story yesterday explaining all the sources. Actual reporting, not some guy on sports radio.
Mainstream news isn’t actual reporting my guy. Fox cnn AP NBC ABC etc etc. It’s objective propaganda. You can tell by their refusal to report on certain things and their refusal to issue retractions/apologies for when they get stuff wrong. That’s not journalism or reporting. That’s propaganda 101.
I think that radio station must have fell for a hoax @JLMD
Maybe its a hoax. Maybe it’s not. Not the first time scientists have suppressed data in this country. Certainly won’t be the last time data gets suppressed/ adjusted sadly.
But again. Regardless if it’s fewer or more the league should look into it. Maybe they have and are suppressing information, like with cte. Either way. I hope we don’t have to witness anymore instances like this.
“Maybe its a hoax.”
It is 100% a hoax. You have been duped by “local radio” and you are spreading debunked nonsense. Please stop.
What are the actual numbers rct. Do you have the actual numbers? Please post them.
How many cardiac related issues have there been
How many deaths
Stop, dude. You are propagating a hoax. I am not going to argue with you or provide you with anything because you will move the goalposts. @Ooof has already explained this to you and you’re not accepting it. Please stop pushing this fabricated conspiracy nonsense.
So you don’t have actual numbers. Got it man. That’s all you had to say.
Post the actual numbers or don’t even bother responding man.
I’m not posting any numbers because you will find some idiotic reason to dismiss them. You are beyond reason at this point and you’re sharing fabricated, debunked numbers and have been shown that they are fabricated and debunked. Yet you’re still sticking to them. So why on earth would I waste my time, doing your research for you, finding the actual numbers when I am 100% confident that you won’t believe them and will stick with your numbers anyway? Especially since @Ooof has very carefully explained things to you multiple times and you’re still disagreeing and touting your nonsense numbers?
Just stop it already. You have been duped and bought into conspiracy nonsense because you want to believe it. Stop propagating a hoax.
So you still have nothing.
What non sense numbers have I been touting exactly?
If you have actual numbers I am more than willing to hear them out. If you have a running total of how many players have
had cardiac issues like hamlin jj watt or any other players in any sports
died because of heart related issues
You and other people have said the 1500 is a hoax.
Thats fine but then what are the actual numbers then? Why do you keep avoiding answer that question exactly? How many players have had cardiac issues and how many have died from them?
Bare minimum you should be able to know how many have been recorded, you may not get every single one but seems really important to track heart related issues and deaths in athletes that teams invest millions of dollars in annually, not just in football.
There are players who have had cardiac issues and some who have died because of it.
So what are the numbers we do know and have actual records of happening?
If those numbers arent available why arent they available? Why is no one actually tracking these things?
Nope, nonsense. There’s actual reporting, actual sources, actual facts, and actual experts cited by name. You shared a figure from sports radio that has been debunked. Whatever problems there are with journalism as an industry right now don’t change the fact that you shared a myth that has been debunked.
Sure there is. Cause you say so based on third fourth party reporting. OK dude. Enjoy the propaganda. Just curious did AP give an actual number instead of the 1500? Or did they just say the number is wrong? Cause you know actual reporting would give you an actual number. Not just dismiss someone else’s number.
Again, an actual trail of facts and sources you can follow. You cite Fox as propaganda, yet can’t accept that you’re repeating a myth that people believe because Tucker Carlson misrepresented it as fact.
Did AP give you an actual number and actual data? Or did they just say their information is wrong?
How many cardiac issues did AP say happened and how many deaths from those? What are their numbers? If 1500 is a hoax surely AP produced actual numbers and statistics.
If they didn’t do that why do you think that is?
Also, I dont watch fox news. There’s a reason I included them in my proganda list. So saying fox fox fox Tucker Carlson Carlson like it’s the boogeyman you’re scared of has no meaning to anything in this conversation other than they also said something about this. Which I am completely unaware of and have no idea what Carlson said. If youre assuming the radio station heard it from Carlson that’s quite an assumption too.
I didn’t say you watch Fox News. I’m saying that’s where the 1500 figure came from. Maybe the sports radio host didn’t hear it directly from him either, but that’s what put the bogus 1500 number in the public consciousness.
They don’t. The Carlson claim was that the number jumped to 1500 since vaccine rollout after having been an annual average of 29. The 29 number came from a 2006 study of 38 years worth of data, strictly among athletes under 35. The 1500 number, again, came from a blog that aggregated news stories of athlete deaths that didn’t exclude deaths from other causes or retired athletes of much more advanced ages. You could read up yourself.
Why didn’t AP give you actual numbers?
So how many cardiac deaths are there?
How many cardiac related issues have their been?
Does anyone cnn ap fox NBC ABC have actual verified data? If not why don’t we have this information readily available or someone tracking this?
Again. Why didn’t AP give you actual numbers.
They supposedly can find researchers and data to debunk but can’t find people to post actual numbers? Why is that? Saying no that’s not true doesn’t mean much if youre not going to back it up with actual numbers yourself.
Why don’t they make up a number that would be impossible to verify? What would you like the endpoints of this study to be?
It’s impossible to look at all the stories that have come out about heart attacks and deaths of athletes? Really? Sounds like lazy journalism. Even bare minimum would be look at known ones and give a baseline number off that readily available information.
Why are you making excuses for shotty journalism exactly?
Also
How many cardiac issues have there been
How many cardiac deaths have there been
Why is no one actually investigating and getting actual numbers. Even known instances at a minimum.
End result? Hopefully to never witness another Hamlin incident again.
It’s not lazy journalism to wait for actual facts. Why don’t you go ahead and count and cite sources if you think this is so easy and doable. Doing things responsibly and scientifically takes more time than spouting out half-cocked theories, like the one you brought to this board.
It’s not lazy journalism to say someone is wrong and not produce your own research into the matter? That’s lazy journalism 100%. Sadly it’s what we’ve come to expect as the standard.
I never said it would be easy. I am asking why no one has actually done this though. Your poor excuse is it would be hard to quantify. Even at a bare minimum tracking known instances would give a glimpse into the issue and the severity and would debunk future misinformation. So why is no one actually doing it is my question.
It’s not lazy journalism to thoroughly debunk a dangerous myth. Scientifically researching something is a different task, and one that might not be doable right now in the way you’re demanding. And you never answered my question as to what you would like the endpoints on such a study to be.
It’s not doable to track known cardiac issues and deaths among athletes at a minimum over the last year or 2? Really? I find it odd that no news organization has that capability. We’ve seen them invest time into much worse.
What do you mean by endpoints? Like what I hope to get out of this. I told you. Hopefully leagues look into the matter if it’s a growing issue and we don’t have to see another Hamlin incident. Player safety.
How would you go about doing that? And again, what endpoints would you like this study to have?
Well start with news reports on known incidents. That would be a good start for tracking.
And what do you mean endpoints? Like what to gain from this or the parameters on the study?
Parameters. Starting when and ending when. You’re asking for a concrete figure on something not only incredibly recent, but ongoing. The bogus 1500 number was compared to 38 years of actual data. And you want to work from news reports? Didn’t you say the news was untrustworthy?
Mainstream news. You do realize local news exist right? Never bothered to read multiple sources huh? Well always a first time for everything.
I’d start with a year and work backwards. Say 5 years worth of data. Possibly 10. You can go as far back as you want.
Start a year ago? To study instances of cardiac arrest in active athletes since the vaccines rolled out? You’re going to have very little data.
And if you want to source this whole study from local news, good luck.
“I’d start with a year and work backwards. Say 5 years worth of data. Possibly 10. You can go as far back as you want.”
Do you not know what backwards means? Or the numbers 5 or 10?
Local news would certainly report on a local athlete that plays for a local team in the city having cardiac issues and dying.
The claim is about cardiac deaths since the vaccine rolled out. That was a lot less than 5 years ago. And what do you mean by “Start with a year”? The past year? Ending what, today?
What do I mean start with a year? I mean start backtracking from most recent instances to past instances. That’d probably be easiest to track that way.
Im not saying it’s the vaccine. Nor implying it is. I am saying seems like we have a lot more cardiac related issues happening to athletes so let’s
Track them
Compare them to historical data best we can with known instances 5 years 10 years 15 years 20 years however far back we can go
And if we do see a spike address the issue whatever it may be- intensity of training. Supplements or prescriptions we give athletes now a days for peak performance.
And hopefully we don’t have to experience another tragedy like what Hamlin has gone through.
OK, but for an actual study, for the figure you insist on, you need an actual endpoint to data collection. And yeah, it would be great to make sports safer, but on this front, there’s a limit. There’s unfortunately always been a certain amount of this in sports, and there will continue to be. I haven’t seen substantial evidence that there’s a lot more of this than there used to be, and certainly not by a factor of several dozen times, like that 1500 figure.
A study can certainly be ongoing and last for years. Putting an end date say 5 or 10 years out would probably be the wisest choice.
Ok, but that won’t give you the figure you want. The real number instead of the bogus 1500 figure. Stuff like this is why people who are blowing smoke can get their message out so much faster than people with actual science and facts.
Im all for having actual numbers and tracking. You don’t know how many there are neither do I. At best we have a minimum of known instances if we actually invest time into tracking such . We don’t even have a clue how many known instances there are cause no one seems to be actually tracking this issue. We get stories but they get memory holed when the next thing comes up.
Im not looking for a specific number. I am looking for if there is actually a rise is cardiac issues in athletes compared to previous years and if so how do we solve this issue. I am also looking for why no one seems to actually track this stuff. News, Leagues, Doctors. No one seems to actually want to. Why?
I am also curious if people are looking at this and just not sharing information. Again not the first time a league would suppress data cause their neglect/inaction is to blame. See NFL and cte.
I’m sure someone is tracking this, but at best they have two years of incomplete data. This stuff takes time. Better to not have an answer than trot out nonsense and try to pass it as meaningful.
You have much more faith than I do. I doubt they are and if they are doubt we hear the data. Not till someone tries to release it and even then bet they try to stop releasing it.
You’re welcome to your concern and conjecture. The demonstrable nonsense is still nonsense.
1) I’m glad to hear the young man is getting better – far from out of the woods but any move in the positive direction is excellent news
2) Bills and Bengals each pick three players to play each other in Madden as their respective team.. you can’t tell me there aren’t 3 guys from each team that are good at Madden. 2 out of three gets the tiebreaker. Honestly – I would even watch it on TV
Great news! Glad to hear that.
That’s amazing. God bless this kid and his family members. I hope he gets better real soon.