Brian Gutekunst said the eventual Aaron Rodgers trade does not need to include a first-round pick, but it seems like the Packers have not abandoned hopes of collecting one from the Jets in these long-running trade talks.
The Packers are still angling to acquire the Jets’ 2024 first-round pick, Charles Robinson of Yahoo.com said during an appearance on the Wilde and Tausch show with veteran reporter Jason Wilde and ex-Packers O-lineman Mark Tauscher. The Packers do not appear to be going after the Jets’ No. 13 pick this year, but Robinson adds they want a 2023 second-rounder and the 2024 first.
New York acquired an additional second-round pick in the Elijah Moore trade and now holds the Nos. 42 and 43 selections this year; the team is willing to give up at least a second-rounder in this deal. It should be expected one of them will be included in a Rodgers trade, and the talks could run up to Day 2 of this year’s draft. Unloading Rodgers by that point and picking up at least one high 2023 draft choice would be the best way for the Packers to give Rodgers’ successor, Jordan Love, more help after an 8-9 season. Should a trade not be completed by the draft, a number of possibilities enter the equation.
The Jets are balking at including a 2024 first-rounder in this deal, per Robinson, who said the Packers are open to including a 2025 draft choice in the swap in the event Rodgers retires after this coming season. Woody Johnson looks to be leading the holdup here, aiming to avoid a Broncos-like scenario that sees the asset struggling after the team parted with a monster trade haul. While the (post-Nathaniel Hackett) Wilson-Denver book is not closed, Seattle does hold the team’s No. 5 overall pick. It would seem Rodgers’ success in the Hackett-Matt LaFleur offense would protect the Jets against a similar combustion, but the 39-year-old QB’s annual retirement flirtations obviously have the Jets skittish about overpaying here.
At a Jets event recently, GM Joe Douglas expressed confidence Rodgers will soon be Big Apple-bound. The Packers owe Rodgers nearly $60MM, but that payment — which can be sent any time between now and Week 1 — is expected to be the Jets’ responsibility. How to restructure Rodgers’ $50.3MM-per-year contract — which runs through 2025 — represents a part of these trade talks as well.
With the Packers undoubtedly wanting no part of that near-$60MM payment, Rodgers will almost definitely be off their roster by Week 1. This process dragging past the draft would still turn up the heat a bit on the Jets, who will surely want Rodgers rostered before at least minicamp in June or training camp at the latest. The Jets standing down as Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo signed elsewhere obviously increases the pressure to acquire Rodgers, though Ryan Tannehill could conceivably become an emergency backup plan. The Jets have joined the rest of the league in not pursuing Lamar Jackson.
The Jets did not acquire Brett Favre until early August 2008, and with Rodgers spending the past four seasons running the offense Hackett will implement, assimilation is probably not a significant Jets concern. But the Jets can also attempt to wait out the Packers, as that bonus payment looms. That said, Rodgers developing chemistry with Garrett Wilson and Mecole Hardman will be important for the Jets, who gave longtime Rodgers auxiliary target Allen Lazard an $11MM-per-year deal.
It cost only a conditional third-round pick for the Jets to acquire Favre’s rights 15 years ago. Johnson was part of those negotiations, but his team will need to pay more for Favre’s successor. Day 2 of this year’s draft (April 28) will be the first major deadline in these negotiations.
Walk away.
Yep. Let him continue to be the Packers problem.
It’s time for a take it or leave it offer from the Jets.
There isn’t a real place he can go now. The Jets are the only suitor left.
…and they seemed to gave pursued Carr first.
The Jets were the only suitor this whole time
I think that is probably correct.
49ers
I keep hearing about the Jets having all the leverage but GB has already created cap room to get through 2023 with Rodgers’s salary on the books. If the trade happens after June 1 it frees up $15million for GB. Week 1 is the real deadline due to the bonus because it would impact future caps for GB. The Jets on the other hand, would need to have him in there some time before week one to practice running the office with the new personnel. He may have Lazard and Hackett, but last year there were a bunch of new receivers he didn’t work with and it was bad. Same could be true in 2023.
GB doesn’t want to spread that $31m over 2023 & 2024. They want to be done with it this year! There is no need for the Jets to bid against themselves. I’m a Jets’ fan & I’m not screaming for GM’s head or owner’s head. They are handling this perfectly. You can’t ask a team to eat a bad contract and demand the moon and the sun in return. Joe Douglas, you’re the man! Keep up the great work!
link to overthecap.com
If I’m GB , screw the JETS have a seat AARON.
That sounds pretty good, but they also want out of that $60 million that he is owed. If I’m GB I take what I can get and move on. His value decreases daily.
If the team has already worked out cap numbers for this coming year, it’s the win now Jets who have more to lose. I’m though wondering why the Packers didn’t demand a switch of first round draft picks as part of any deal.
oh I’m sure that will go over real well in the locker room, and I’m sure it will make Love REAL comfortable. I hope Rodgers shows up at Packers OTAs on April 17th!
Talking like a real idiot
At least he used punctuation.
Draft then sign lamar. Sure you give up two 1sts but they’ll hopefully be in the 29-32 range.
If GB is really sticking to Rodgers for a 1st 2 1sts plus contract isn’t that bad to stomach for Lamar
You still then have to overpay Lamar for many seasons. You can’t guarantee his health or production. No team making him an offer is all you need to see.
Rodgers is already on a lucrative long term contract that technically runs through 2026.
And of course no team is making an offer. They’d have to surrender this years 1st round draft choice. If you wait til after the draft you surrender 2024s 1st round choice and 2025. A team like the Colts at 4, Jets at 13, Falcons at 8, anyone in top 15 would be stupid to sign him now and give up that draft choice when you can wait 2 more weeks, draft, then give up 1sts that likely fall in the late 20s if not 30 31 32.
Foxtrot. Good point but usually if a team was seriously interested, it would leak out and to my knowledge, bubkis.
*Bupkis.
Is there a player that you can guarantee the health of? Jackson’s injuries happened on pass plays in the pocket
And as he ages, he’ll likely be in the pocket even more. A reason why you consider big money but only short term.
He’s 26. 4 years should be enough
When only 1 team out of 32 want you, it means you’re washed up. And that 1 team hasn’t won since the 1950’s-60’s?
It means your team already has a decent to great QB or a great draft pick coming up.
Or just common fiscal sense.
There’s about 10 great QB’s out there. Which QB from the NFC S would you take? How about the AFC S. Sure T.L. seems like he made the jump last season; but Tannehill, Mills in Houston, or Minshew in Indy? You get my point, not many good to great QB’s in the league.
As for the draft, you know how it will play out as well. 4 maybe 5 will be drafted in round 1. 1 will do something and the others will be backups bouncing around the league. Sam Darnold, & Baker come to mind for that example.
As for the money, teams have it to spend. Happens every offseason on FA’s and right before the season with massive extensions for their own players.
I think the league sees a royal pain in backside with Aaron. And one who is 39 & clearly showing down. So why trade and pay for him? 4 years ago, Rodgers would have netted a Russ Wilson haul, but not now.
I agree with you. The issue with AR is that he is in a special circumstance.
He’s not that great anymore AND he’s super expensive AND he only has 1-2 years left in him. On top of that he has done nothing to mentor Love into the next AR like Favre did for him somehow.
Add all of that up and he should be excited the Jets want him. The Jets and Packers can bluff all they want but we all know he will be traded for a 2nd or released.
I personally hate a lot about AR but he was MVP in 20 and 21. He also had a mostly new receiving corp in 22 that took time to get. He was still a very good QB last year who would have made the Jets a dangerous playoff team in 22 had they had him last season.
Maybe if Rodgers would throw to his new receivers in the off-season like all quarterbacks do, there wouldn’t have been such a huge learning curve
Or no financial space or your team is simply not in win now mode. Remember GB removed half the league by indicating they would not deal him to another NFC club. San Francisco, Carolina and New Orleans were possibilities if GB didn’t limit the potential teams.
read somewhere Mark Murphy intercede and demanded GM Gutey get a 1st round pick back. As a publicly owned team, stock holders are gonna love paying $60m to a bench player.
The team is a non-profit. Shareholders are more of a fundraising way that they do expansions. They don’t have any true financial stockholders to answer to so no one is going to feel the pain of paying out $60M for Rodgers like a traditional owner would
Packers are delusional. Jets are playing this perfectly. Just wait them out. Who cares when the acquisition happens. They want to see what they have in Jordan Love, Aaron Rodgers on the sidelines is a nightmare scenario for his development.
The Jets should care. It doesn’t benefit them getting Rodgers in June or July before you start ramping up for training camp.
Jets hired his former OC and signed one of his top wide receivers that he’s played with for 4 or 5 years.
There’s no urgency like other situations when Rodgers is already familiar with the offense.
You could argue he should be developing rapport with his new receivers but that’s about it.
This is a point that I would disagree. He went into the season last year with Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan, Lewis, Jones, and Dillon as pass catchers he had played with. Though he had a new OC, the new OC was running the same scheme as Hackett. Rodgers would be going to NY with just Lazard. It could very well be a repeat of last year if he does not get in and develop chemistry and practice with his new WR.
Aside from Lazard that list isn’t of quality receivers. He also went into the season with rookie receivers (watson a 2nd round pick who missed off season workouts due to injury (knee tear missed 2 months and doubs a 4th round pick and toure a 7th round pick). Cobb turned 32 last year and Lewis 38.
You kind of made my point. Going into this season, he is having essentially rookie receivers. Apart from Lazard, nobody knows his audible signs, he hasn’t worked with any of them.
“You could argue he should be developing rapport with his new receivers but that’s about it.”
Seems like we are both on the same page.
Rodgers may be familiar with the offense but his teammates are still learning it. It would be more beneficial if they are learning it alongside their signal caller heading into camp.
This is a stupidly weak draft class – thus the Jets should just give the Packers that costly #1 pick – plus some sort of variable pick in 2023 if Rodgers does anything while in NY.
Or sign Matt Ryan
Or sign Lamar Jackson after you draft – 2 1sts plus contract for lamar or 1st plus current contract for Rodgers. I’d rather draft with the intent of signing Lamar afterwards. Fortify the oline and sure up the defense. Plus maybe draft a receiver opposite Wilson.
Last thing Jets should do is meet green bays demand for a 1st. There’s really no one else bidding for Rodgers.
It’s a great class for RB/WR but weak for defense. Decent QB class.
Not sure I’d agree on the QB part. Aside from Young, not sure if any of the others are going to be impactful, especially Richardson. Watched enough of his games to know he’s got the potential to be one of the busts of selected high. Not sure I’d even throw a second rounder at him unless he was willing to play RB, too.
Its actually a weak WR class and strong DE class.
Let me clarify, there are no stud WRs. There is plenty of talent but I would not call it strong.
Not sure where you get your info from but it’s actually a really weak WR class
The top of this story is what I’ve been thinking they should end up with all along.
The Jets should offer the Packers the 2023 #2 round pick, the 2024 #1 round pick, and in return the Jets get the wonder that is Aaron Rodgers and a 2024 4th round pick.
That should do it. The Jets with a solid QB will probably be higher than #13 in the first round next year so it’s a bargain 1st Round value. They can draft an OL this year, and the GB Packers get that coveted 1st Rounder that’s been keeping the wheels from moving with some decent collateral in the meantime. The only caveat with this arrangement is the Jets better hope Rodgers is worth two years of play because they wouldn’t be in healthy QB drafting range next year.
Honestly, if Douglas thinks he can win this game of chicken, great for him, but I think this hits the middle of the table as best as possible without the Jets having some kind of back-up plan for QB in 2023.
Jets want that 2024 1st to be conditional…. smart!
Agreed. Originally, I figured a 2 this year and a conditional pick next year that would be a 4 if the Jets finish below .500, a 3 if they finish .500 or better but miss the playoffs, a 2 if they make the playoffs, and a 1 if they win the Super Bowl. Obviously, that’s a non-starter with Green Bay, but a 2 with the playoff condition to make it a 1 is fair. A wrinkle that could make it more enticing for Green Bay could be if there’s someone they like available at #13 that would push them into a pick swap to complete the deal.
I like the plan, but I only see a pick swap if the 3 big OTs are gone. BTW a pick swap is equivalent (in draft points) to a low 3rd/high 4th rd pick. So, it’s “extra” compensation.
It is extra compensation, but it could offset the conditional pick GB was asked to give up in 2025 if Rodgers doesn’t play in 2024.
Conditional 1st, yeah. Makes sense for sure. Unfortunately I don’t know if that’s going to happen.
Jets are a 3 point favorite in this game of chicken, but I just learned that Woody said Aaron’s “90% retired” statement was taken to heart, I don’t blame him.
I find it increasingly difficult to believe that the NY Jets would send a contingent of people (to include the owner) to California with the intention of meeting with Aaron Rodgers and working a framework structure of a contract, without having a trade outlined with the Packers.
Everyone knows full well what is going to happen and when it is going to happen. It’s not like Rodgers would be at the Packers facility two weeks before the draft anyway. All part of the script.
This is all media hype. I think the trade is done, all compensation agreed on, it just won’t get announced until June 1st.
It has to be announced at the time of the draft if players in this draft will be involved.
Hmmmnn … Theoretically speaking, the Jets and Packers could have agreed, and the Packers told the Jets who they want them to draft, and that rookie becomes part of the trade, rather than the pick itself. It could happen … unless the NFL has some kind of rule against that. But I don’t see why they would, since they can trade picks.
And then the Jets draft that player and the deal falls apart and the Jets are left with a player they don’t want. They’re not being run by idiots anymore, JD is smart and knows how to make a good trade
Your insight is as good as my guess then. However they do it, we’ll find out once it’s done.
u can’t trade the rookie, only the pick b4 its used. If trade is done than it probably hinges on either a pick swap of 13&15 or 2023 4th rd pick. If Jets use #13 or GB decides they dont want it, GB gets the 4th rounder. If Jets swap 13/15, they keep their 4th rounder.
Is that right?
How is it that Eli Manning never managed to play a down for the then San Diego Chargers or how Elway never played for the Colts considering they were each selected 1st overall by those respective teams?
I think he meant during the draft. It’s possible the player was known at the time, but never signed a contract with the team that drafted him and didn’t participate in their OTA’s or rookie minicamp.
Rodgers taught the Packers well. “We want a first round pick.” “No, we don’t.” Yes, we do…”
Jets have this. Packers are just hoping to get more by waiting and let some anxiety kick in. With $60M riding on them, they’re certainly dropping him off at NY. And kudos to the Jets for not biting.
I’m honestly amazed Woody has stayed out of it and just let JD work his magic
They’re responsible for cap hit no matter what.
But that’s not their concern. It’s the actual payment. They don’t have Woody’s deep pockets and don’t want to pay him if they don’t have too. They’re ready for Love to take the helm and move on from Rodgers. If they can get off the hook for that payment, it’s going to be done.
Might have to trade with another team to help get this done.
I’ve hated this trade ever since the picks began to materialize.
Getting a future HOFer is countered by who that HOFer has consistently gone out of his way to show the world.
He notoriously shifts accountability to his WRs (a trait that heralded Zach Wilson’s fall from grace) AND there’s no indication he won’t pull his annual “Will He Or Won’t He?”
NYJ are supposed to part with significant draft capital and pay his insane salary for a 50/50 (or worse) possibility he plays for only one more season?
walk away
Draft
Trade for Lamar
Sign Lamar
Keep & develop Wilson
walk away
Clown comment, sethesq. Your leading reason for not wanting him is his personality? There are better arguments to be made: old, declining skill set, and maybe even locker room disruption could have some merit in a well structured argument. It’s clear that you have some issue with him and therefore, you have formed a bias against him. To what degree? I can’t really tell, but I do know that your objectivity is clearly questionable here.
Clown response.
I’ll simplify my stance:
he’s consistently waffled on retiring for several; keeping GB on hold until he’s ready commit.
There’s no benchmark to remotely gauge what he’ll decide after this season.
Why invest draft capital and a huge financial commitment to a player who may only give you 1 year?
That stance is about as objective as it gets. Skill set, age, personality … all considerations with any player … aren’t major factors in my thought process here.
Impossible to determine service time balanced against defined cost for that service time; specifically draft capital and salary.
That’s the basis of my “walk away” stance; which is made even stronger with the (so far) rumored demand for a 1st Rd pick
Ravens will match two #1 for Lamar. Add in Sauce and a
2nd will probably get it done. Jets will be losers again with Zach if they don’t give Packers fair value for Rodgers. Otherwise, Packers, trade Aaron to SF. They will need a QB with Purdy iffy with injury, Darnold only a backup at best and Lance not ready for prime time. Niners are SB favorites with Rodgers.
That’s not how RFA works. Ravens already gave him the non-exclusive franchise tag, which allows any team to offer Lamar a contract, but the Ravens have the right to match. If they do not match, then Lamar goes to the team that signed him and has to trade two first round picks for Lamar. That’s it. There is no negotiating here like you might see in a normal trade. For that reason, it’s pretty clear that there is some form of collusion taking place. Just take the Colts: it’s pretty clear that they so t get Bryce or CJ. It’s looking even more likely that the Cardinals are going to trade out of 3 with a team that wants either Richardson or Levis. At this point, the Colts should trade the 4th pick this year and their first pick next year and go get Lamar. The fact that they didn’t pull the trigger indicates some form of collusion – to me.
If Ravens match Jets offer they can sign Lamar and still trade him. It will take more than two #1 to acquire Lamar That’s why I brought up adding Sauce and #2. Jets will be between a rock and a hard place if the Rodgers trade falls apart.
Colts new coach wants rookie to build around. Probably will sit for a year and watch Minshaw lose games.
The Packers really should drag this into June. The Jets will be more desperate and that will lessen the cap hit.
Do not do it Jets. Not for a 40 yr old QB. Draft one & hire a person that knows how to draft one. Because ya’ll suck ay it.
Why I remember the day when Jets fans were calling Gute all kinds of names including “bush” league. That was of course until we found out it was Woody Johnson, the JETS Owner who tried changing “terms” of the reported deal. Eventually a trade will happen. Neither side has anywhere else to go.
It was the Jets who changed the terms. Not the Packers.