The Raiders released Derek Carr nearly two weeks ago, and while the veteran quarterback has visited the Saints and Jets thus far, he remains a free agent. Carr is clearly not in a rush to land with a second NFL employer, and a price point has emerged.
Carr’s third Raiders contract paid him just more than $40MM per year, but its construction led to it being a one-year agreement. For his fourth NFL deal, Carr is not demanding it match the AAV the Raiders authorized last year. But Carr is aiming for a contract north of $35MM annually, Dianna Russini of ESPN.com notes (Twitter link).
Last year’s Raiders-Carr agreement also gave him a head-start on free agency, via the guarantee vesting date coming exactly a month before the market opens. But Carr is willing to wait for a team to meet his asking price; he does not need to be the first QB to sign this offseason, per Russini. It would seemingly behoove Carr to sign early, before free agency begins to dramatically alter teams’ budgets. But Daniel Jones signing soon could also strengthen Carr’s stance.
The Giants are not expected to be in play for non-Jones QBs, but the free agent-to-be is asking for a contract at or near the $45MM-per-year mark. Given the gap in accomplishments between Jones and Carr, the Giants giving their 25-year-old QB a deal in the $40MM-AAV range would seem to bolster the latter’s value. Carr is 31, which impacts his stock compared to Jones’, but be should have at least a few more prime years to factor into his negotiations.
No quarterbacks currently sit between the $35MM and $40MM AAV thresholds. Carr and Jones may end up bridging that gap, though it will be interesting to see if the latter stands down and accepts an offer closer to the Giants’ price point than his own. Carr also has the luxury of negotiating with multiple teams; Jones will not, as the Giants plan to use the franchise tag on him absent an extension agreement by March 7. Carr has engaged in talks with teams beyond the Jets and Saints, though those are the big two at the moment. And not much has come out connecting Carr to the Saints since he became a street free agent.
The Jets’ wish list does not appear to have changed. Although mutual interest exists between the Jets and Carr, the team is still waiting on Aaron Rodgers. The four-time MVP, post-darkness retreat, has not alerted the Packers if he wants to retire, return or be traded. An explosive report of the Packers being done with Rodgers certainly caught interested teams’ attention, and an AFC suitor moving on Carr early may not make much sense — unless it was certain Rodgers was off the table or sought a younger arm. The Jets have made no secret they are chasing a veteran, but it does not seem to matter if they acquire a 39-year-old passer or Carr, who will turn 32 this offseason.
Although the Saints are making their usual February cap maneuvers, it will be a challenge for the team to fit the kind of contract Carr seeks on their payroll. The Commanders are not believed to be as eager to pay up for a quarterback as they were last year; Ron Rivera said major funds are unlikely to be used on a QB. Thanks to Tom Brady‘s $35.1MM void-years bill coming due, the Bucs are unlikely to wade into the QB market’s deep waters, either. The Panthers also might not be eyeing such a move. They are interested in Carr to a degree, but David Newton of ESPN.com notes the team is believed to view this price as too steep. Carolina is more likely to re-sign Sam Darnold, or add a similarly priced passer, and further bolster the position in the draft than pay up for Carr.
This growing collection of cautious spenders would not bode well for Carr, who still may be waiting out Rodgers’ decision as far as the Jets are concerned. The rest of the quarterback market will be free to speak with other teams beginning March 13, but the Carr domino should still be expected to fall before that date.
If Jones is asking for $45, the giants should pivot and give Carr $35.
Agreed, Giants should sign Carr and let Jones find out what his real market is. He is Sam Darnold part 2 and a fill in at best. No team will ever win the Lombardi with him the starting QB
Sam darnold pt 2? Lol. Yeah ok! Nothong like darnold at all
Nice to see others had similar thought as I.
Jones at 45 – not even close (45,000 more likely)
Carr at 35 – better buy yet still expensive
Giants – could put savings in receivers or o-line
How can he be asking for 35 mil and Daniel Jones thinks he’s worth 45 smh
B and C level QB Salaries are out of control.
Apparently the owners were too dumb to realize there would be a domino effect from paying A type QBs kings ransoms. It will not only effect the B and C level QBs but every other position once the gravy train gets up to full speed.
Agreed
Carolina Panthers, making poor business decisions at quarterback since super bowl 50.
I’m also aiming for about 35 million per year. Good grief, what are the Seahawks going to have to pay Geno Smith?? He actually made the playoffs and went to the pro-bowl.
Me too, even though I’d settle for 25 guaranteed. Especially for injury as I’d likely be done for the season first time I got ‘hit’!
Hopefully Seattle doesn’t have a contract that starts with anything but a 2. They need to put the transition tag on him and see if someone will pay him more. I think he should get what he’s worth the best way is to let him go on the open market.
I hope Seattle position themselves to be able to pick a QB next year. The selection seems much better next draft. We could use Lock next year and shore up the run D and get an edge rusher.
Sorry – but he’s a middle of the league QB at best. Since the good guys get $50 and the bottom gets $10-12, this guy is about a $25-30 million player (since QBs are generally overpaid).
You will not find a ”middle tier” quarterback for less than $30 million, even if we assume that your assumption about Carr is correct. Carr is certainly better than a backup, and only backup level-spot starters are going to ask for less than $30 million. In today’s market, this ask is actually very reasonable.
If the Jets don’t get their act together and sign Carr to an above-average contract they’re going to regret it.
Rodgers has checked out. The discussions circling him aren’t a recipe for somebody who’s hungry to win.
Jets should go after Lamar. He would take them to the playoffs and beyond. Sauce, G.Wilson and #1 and a 2nd would get it done. Woody has the cash to meet Lamar’s salary demands and bring some excitement back to the Jets. Carr is not taking this team to the SB and Rodgers is almost 40 and is owed about 120MM over next two years if he decides to play. He doesn’t seem to be all in anymore and might cause problems for Saleh.
Ummm… So give up the reasons you’re thinking Super Bowl for a QB you’re expecting to win the Super Bowl himself… Yeah, that makes sense… This is why a QB like Carr makes the most sense. No capital needs to be sent out. They may need to cut salaries to get back below the cap anyway, but you can choose which ones to part with.
If you want a chance just to hope to make the playoffs go with Carr for 35MM. Don’t be thinking Super Bowl with Carr at QB. Lamar at 45-50MM brings opportunity to win division and a run to the SB. Jets will have to give up blue chips to make it happen. A good cb and wr can be acquired without hurting the core of the team. Lamar isn’t coming cheap.
I’d say give Carr whatever Jones or Jackson gets.
LOL! Good one. I’d give Carr and Jones together half of what Jackson gets. That might be the first time I’ve seen Jones and Jackson mentioned in the same sentence!!
The browns screwed the entire league! Imagine 50 mil – divide that by 365!
When is enough too much?
Well… Watson has shown that he can win at least half the games he plays in, and he is a strong character guy, so definitely worth the 250 million guaranteed dollars.
You’re a budding comedian, you should have your own show. I laughed heartily at that
Really? Too steep for Carolina? Whatever happened to being aggressive about finding a quarterback?
I suppose the new staff would rather draft and develop, which is certainly not a bad idea. But if Carolina thinks that they can get a higher tier quarterback than what they currently have at less than $35 million, they may as well plan on starting Darnold.
Paying either Carr or Jones even just 30 million a year would be too much. All that money just to just make the playoffs (if you still can) and get bounced out early, and also stuck with bad cap space (if any) and 1st round picks around 20 ish every year seems like a recipe to hold any team back.
This ridiculous QB salaries are ruining teams chances. How often do these massive QB salaries come out even remotely beneficial. See Goff, Matty Ice, Jimmy G, Carr, Tannehill, etc
Jones had 1 decent year so now pay him a ton of money and he will go back to the way he was. Salaries shouldn’t be based from one year. I bet in 2-3 years we will be talking about how bad Russel Wilson, Watson, Kyler Murray, Jones, and quite possibly Lamar being regretful contracts.
Didn’t hurt the CHIEFS. Quit pocket watching players, while owners make BILLIONS. teams can offered it and still put together winning teams
Which one of the QBs he listed comes remotely close to Mahomes? None. No comparison.
The reason the chiefs can still afford to make a good roster is Mahomes’ contract structure pushed the high cap numbers to start in 2022, so they still had time from when the contract was signed (2020) to navigate cap hits with veterans. But what did they do last year? They restructured or released those guys and had the youngest secondary in the league. They learned after Super Bowl LV that it’s more important to keep your QB off the ground than it is to have a veteran defense.
It’s not so much the billions floating around the nfl it’s the damn salary cap that makes meager gains year to year that screws players and hence team structure.
QBs getting 50M is about 23% of your cap so it’s not possible to adequately cover enough prime players at other positions. Role layers are nothing but plugs in a leaky dam
The fact the Giants-Jones “debate” heeds further breakdown and explanation is the biggest kool-aid event of the NFL this offseason.
Wait til the Bengals have to pay Burrow. They’ll blow the whole team up. The Brown family are one cheapest owners in the league and one of the most cash strapped. The guaranteed portion of these contracts has to be put in escrow = problem for these owners who inherited teams and have no real fortune other than the value of the team. Raiders and Mark Davis are in the same boat.
Given the gap in accomplishments between Jones and (insert any qb here)…