Tyreek Hill has provided a few reasons for why he chose the Dolphins over the Jets in his quick-developing March trade sweepstakes, but this derby’s second-place finishers were willing to match Miami’s compensation.
The Jets offered Hill the four-year, $120MM deal the Dolphins proposed, according to ESPN.com’s Rich Cimini, but were also including incentive sweeteners. Hill preferred Miami to New York as a locale and recently has cited Florida’s lack of a state income tax as a reason for the Dolphins choice.
New York offered $52.5MM fully guaranteed, which is what Hill received from the Dolphins, though Cimini adds New York’s tax setup would have required the Jets to propose $58.75MM in guarantees to match the Miami figure. Of course, this is a battle the NFL’s teams with and without state income taxes wage annually. Though, Hill’s one-on-one AFC East duel added some intrigue to this year’s highest-profile such showdown.
Gang Green offered a Pro Bowl incentive in its proposal, per Cimini. It is unclear how much of a bump the Jets’ Pro Bowl escalator(s) would have brought, but Hill is 6-for-6 in Pro Bowl nods (five as a receiver, one as a return man). That would have certainly given the seventh-year playmaker good odds in cashing in on such an incentive. The former Chiefs deep threat leads the NFL in receiving through four games and will face the team he was nearly traded to Sunday.
Drew Rosenhaus called the Jets once the Chiefs gave Hill permission to negotiate with other teams, and Cimini adds the Jets attempted to bring the All-Pro target in for a meeting or fly to his home in south Florida. The Chiefs also rejected the Jets’ effort to do a video call with the receiver, and Rosenhaus ended up being the go-between in these proceedings. While the Jets researched Hill’s complicated background and signed off on going through with trade talks — after the team strangely monitored him as a potential Chiefs cap casualty earlier in March — Rosenhaus contacted fellow client Braxton Berrios to gather Zach Wilson intel for Hill’s benefit, Cimini adds. None of this led to a Jets agreement, however, despite the Chiefs OK’ing New York’s proposal of two second-round picks and a third-round swap for Hill.
Had the Dolphins not been in the mix for Hill, the Jets would seemingly have ended up greenlighting that monster contract and thus not been in trade rumors related to just about every receiver up for an extension this offseason. That would have changed their thinking on Garrett Wilson, the team’s top-rated receiver in this year’s draft.
The Jets tried to trade up with the Seahawks, thus climbing from No. 10 to No. 9, with Cimini adding that they viewed the Saints and Eagles as teams lurking for the Ohio State target. Both the NFC squads soon filled receiver needs — the Saints with the other Buckeyes first-round pass catcher (Chris Olave) and Eagles via the A.J. Brown trade — and the dominoes sent Wilson to the Big Apple during one of the most complex wideout offseasons in NFL history.
Smart man
It’s also more expensive for property in New York. I doubt he’d live in Jersey
The thing is, this is nothing new. Hill is the latest of hundreds, if not thousands of pro athletes that have passed on high tax states like NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA etc.
It’s a big part of why Brady is in Tampa, not Boston, and brought a SB championship there to boot.
Elections have consequences
…and now its affecting your favorite MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL team’s rosters.
You think Brady went to tampa for tax benefits lol
No, but I do think you went to elementary school just to eat glue sticks.
I literally said “a BIG PART of why…”
That doesn’t even indicate a majority, and certainly not the only reason, as your strawman argues.
I’d say, among his reasons…
– warmer weather
– better offensive pieces
– escape Belichick’s control freaking
– one more SB
– his kid’s schools would be open during covid
– aaaaaannnnd no state taxes
Brady signed for $28.375M, MA top tax rate that year was 5.05%.
That’s roughly $1.433M. Are you throwing that away to stay in Boston? I’m not.
It would be A BIG PART OF WHY someone would leave for Florida.
You need to be able to tell us what Florida’s property tax rates are as compared to MA. States that have no taxes usually have a higher property tax rate or sales tax. Florida does tax the hell out of visitors
I don’t need to do anything.
That’s your rebuttal, I’d guess YOU need to tell us.
How lazy. “Hey i think this might be an argument against you. Can you look it up for me?”
Pound sand
Well, to use your line……hundreds if not thousands. Sounds like you are the lazy one too. We both just took a guess
A 10 second internet search shows FL is 24th lowest property tax rate at 0.89%.
Massachusetts is 34th at 1.23%
So not only are you lazy, you’re just wrong.
I think its safe to say in a CENTURY of FOUR pro sports in the US… and HUNDREDS of players in each season… there’s at least 2,000 players who have made a decision based on taxes. My “guess” is that there’s many times that.
That by definition, would be “thousands”.
Pound sand.
A century? Players couldn’t pick where they played until free agency. Now you’re just wrong. A century is 100 years
Drafts started in NFL and NBA til 30s and 40s. MLB and NHL was the 60s.
Free agency began in MLB in the 70s through NFL in the 90s.
I’d say the number of years of being stuck with the team who drafted you are less than the not stuck.
Regardless, I’d still think it would safe to say that even in the last 30 years.
30yrs x 4 sports x 1000 players… 120,000 contract years. 2,000 players is just 1.6%.
I stand by my statement.
This is 2022. Free agency or players getting to pick where they played has only been around 30-40 years. That’s not a century. Get back with me in 2075
Read the whole paragragh, thats what I said… 30 years.
As far as the “century” is concerned, you cant ignore each sports’ period before instituting the draft, when even first-year players chose where they played.
But again, I think my numbers stand up in just the last 30 years… as I stated at the bottom of the last post.
Original post said century. You even capped the word CENTURY. Very few players have chosen Florida just for tax reasons. If that were the main reason, teams like Cincinnati and Indy and Cleveland would be destination cities instead of LA. Honestly most players care about…weather…nightlife….winning…before state taxes. They don’t handle the contracts or even their money.
I’m saying free agency technically existed BEFORE as well as after the ‘draft but no free agency’ time period. So you COULD include the whole century and not write off the early years.
The institution of free agency was the eventual result of instituting the drafts, and locking players to a franchise. It was total free agency before the drafts.
HOWEVER, I will say for the THIRD time… You could ALSO look at ONLY the last 30 years, if you prefer… and could still safely say that at least 2,000 players have made low state taxes a big part of where the sign. Again, not the ONLY reason, I never said that.
I obviously cant survey 120,000 players on this, but look at the teams listed in the no-trade clauses of players’ contracts these days. They are either low-performing or high-tax state teams.
Why else would you put winning teams in SF, LA, SD, CHI, BOS and NY in your no-trade clause? But that’s only my assumption. I have however, seen several reports on taxes being a big factor in free agency, just like Tyreek in this story.
BTW… “Cincinnati and Indy and Cleveland would be destination cities”???
Ohio top state tax bracket is 4.8%. Indiana, while low, is still 2.3%, not 0% like FL, TX and others. Again, didn’t say it was the only reason, weather and nightlife definitely affect Indy, Cleveland and Cincy.
I disagree. Simple as that. I’m done arguing stupid stuff. You have nothing to back it up and neither do I
Fair enough
But I don’t see how including plenty of numerical evidence in my posts, isn’t backing things up.
Oh well
Because you didn’t interview every athlete in the last century on why they chose where they played. You are a very weird dude
You want me to interview every athlete of the last century in order to post a comment on a website… and it’s ME who’s the “very weird dude”??
That’s the only way you’ll know if your numbers are true about why the athletes chose to play somewhere with lower taxes. Otherwise, you’re guessing. I know this site is called pro football rumors but generally it’s not the people posting that starts the rumors
Maybe you and Flyby would be more comfortable just reading the stories and skipping the comments altogether.
You don’t seem emotionally equipped to handle people having different opinions or presenting info you don’t like, without them researching a doctoral dissertation to get your permission.
Later…
You can make a lot more in marketing with New England than tampa bay. For the record I live in tampa. Leave politics out of it cuz it clearly where you are going.
I know he got the Subway deal in Tampa. All I remember as a Patriot was Tag Heuer and that creepy commercial of him alone in a room with a mattress. I think he’s done Under Armor in both places.
But in general, I don’t think your theory holds as much weight in the NFL as it does in say MLB.
Aaron Rodgers is in the smallest of small markets. Peyton Manning was in Indy and Denver, and he’s an endorsement juggernaut. Mahomes in KC, that’s barely a top 25 market, he’s huge with adidas, state farm, etc.
Thousands is a bit of stretch as is hundreds. Try a couple dozen if that.
I’m not saying that exclusively about just big contract guys like Brady.
Even the role guy, making $1-$5M wants to keep more of his paycheck.
It may actually be even more important to that guy… and again, I’m talking all major sports as a whole, is possibly that many.
Nice backpeddle
“Brady signed for $28.375M, MA top tax rate that year was 5.05%.
That’s roughly $1.433M. Are you throwing that away to stay in Boston? I’m not.
It would be A BIG PART OF WHY someone would leave for Florida.”
You realize he is one of the richest if not the richest football players by himself and his wife at the time of signing is worth more (almost double). So for them a couple mil is the equivalent of a normal person buying happy meal. They will just throw that money away on one of their many parties probably. If you are curious in worth i found a quote below showing the difference.
“What is Gisele Bündchen’s net worth? Well, according to Celebrity Net Worth, Bündchen is worth $400 million, which is almost double what her husband Tom Brady is worth. (The site reports that Brady is worth $250 million and has a $30 million salary from the NFL.)”
you do realize his wife is worth more than him right?
Good grief…
Then keep voting for high taxes, I don’t care. Millions of everyday Americans have made this decision just in the last 10 years. Why would athletes be any different?
The story is about Tyreek making this very decision.
And as I stated in the post you quoted, but conveniently left out this part… I’m only saying it was one of SEVERAL reasons, but probably a big one.
Also the argument of him having more money than he needs is flawed.
Just 40 years ago, Nolan Ryan made history with the first million dollar contract.
Do you think he’s still spending that money today?
Third-string bench players, who only play minutes in every other game, make more than a million per year.
Inflation isn’t stopping because you want it so.
So, yeah, every little bit counts when you want to retire with wealth that lasts your life and helps your next generation.
Again, this very story is about Tyreek making this very decision.
I don’t pay state taxes no matter where I live so it makes no difference to me
military?
yes i quoted according to you the main reason they chose the state.
so what your saying is two of the most famous people in their line of work (multibillion dollar industries btw) and 9th richest couple in the US are worried most about the having a slight tax reduction for the smaller of their annual salaries?
Also to throw a little monkey wrench into your whole tax theory, you realize that only halfish their actual salary is taxed in their home state? They pay taxes based on where they are playing. So if Tom Brady is playing in NY he is paying new york tax on that weeks paycheck.
Also if all these top talents are making all these big dollars and worried about taxes, then why arent there more teams from florida in the championships / playoffs? They should be lining up warehouses for all the trophies they should be winning.
Yes I know they pay where the game is played. That has very little to do with what you’re arguing… although neither have any of your other strawman and obfuscation posts.
Tell you what princess, If I ever get to see Brady or Gisele, I’ll ask them for an answer… because some rando on PFR can’t handle people with informed opinions that he doesn’t pre-approve.
I let you know. Hope that helps you sleep.
“Brady signed for $28.375M, MA top tax rate that year was 5.05%.
That’s roughly $1.433M. Are you throwing that away to stay in Boston?”
@greg
Which is it then …. you know they get paid AND TAXED where they play or do you not know math? Im guessing the latter because you resort to name calling like you have the education of a preschooler that drinks kool-aid juice boxes (see others can resort to that too if you want to go that route). If you did know math, you would have presented correct figures which would be that he wouldnt be paying 1.43M to boston but just a shade over 700K to boston since only half his checks are taxed there.
He could easily make that up in endorsements or a guest appearance or two in boston which is a much larger market than tampa and easier to obtain vs tampa atleast if losing money was the larger reason for leaving. Look up the income rankings/value of boston teams vs tampa teams for possible opportunites (tampa regularly in the bottom 1/4 if not lower and boston is usually top 5 if not higher) as boston is definitely a bigger sports town than tampa.
Im happy to have a discussion with people with informed opinions but the information you have presented for your informed opinion are just wrong. Dont be mad that i just shot huge cannon balls through your arguments with fact and figures. And yes I will sleep well after my 5 seconds of google searching for actual facts.
Regarding taxes and where they live/work, it depends on the states involved. Also depends on where you live during the season/offseason. You could also be taxed for road games depending on where you go and where you come from unless there is a special law exempting pro-football players which I do not think there is. NY for example tries to tax everything.
What happens with Pro Bowl incentives now that there is no Pro Bowl?
There still is….just not a game. It’s a skills competition from what I heard
Clickbait from early in the week — the NYC tabloids eagerly swallowed it up so they wouldn’t have to report that Tua had been ruled out of Sunday’s game.
Glad he chose Miami. Too great a price for the Jets to pay for such a win now move, and I don’t want to root for the guy.
I agree, although the theoretical timeline for their development as a team would mean that they should be building to compete this year and actually be competitive next year. I think that they have done well by that schedule, with the exception being Zach Wilson. That’s the most important part, unfortunately, and because he’s not ready, this deal would have been premature for New York. His missed time is a big part of delaying that right now, objectively speaking.
Subjectively speaking, in my personal opinion, I’m not really sure that he was the right choice to build this regime around. Salah seems solid, but it’s a bit early to tell, and I’d like to see him progress a bit more before I form an opinion on whether he will be the long term answer. I do think that he seems good so far, with much more that he’ll have to show to solidify that opinion. If Wilson is not the guy, then Salah will have to show enough in the meantime as coach to retain him for the next QB. A big deal for Hill would have been a bit premature while those two questions are still being weighed, so a cheaper and younger homegrown pick like Garrett Wilson was likely the better choice. This second part is all my opinion, of course.
That all makes sense. Garrett Wilson looking so promising definitely makes it easier to look back on Hill with a “No thanks,” though I felt that way at the time, too. Zach Wilson’s injury and the rotten injury luck on the line do make evaluation harder, though I will say that Lafleur’s system is starting to show flashes, so hopefully Wilson can show he’s the guy to operate it. If he can’t keep them from picking top five and a top QB prospect is available, one wonders.
As for Saleh, he seems like he’s a good adult in the room and gets the players to play hard for him, but the defense is going to need to show a more as the year wears on.
I agree completely.
The Jets didn’t match the offer after taxes. They have to know he would be losing millions in taxes, so the offer isn’t the same. Why would any sane person choose to give up millions, play in freezing cold weather and play for a crappy team? Not really a choice to me.
Sounds like a lot of words to state what’s already been stated on this site. Hill preferred making his living in Miami rather than NY. Unless you love bagels, Chinese food or pizza, who would rather live in NY than Miami? Especially if you’re a young physical specimen athlete.
It’s a shame the NFL doesn’t have a “We almost had” trophy. It would be awarded to the Jets every season.
Who in their right mind would want anything to do with any NY team. Both suck and their taxes and crime are out of control.
NYG and NYJ both have their club offices and practice site in New Jersey, plus they are co-tenants of MetLife Stadium which is also is in the Garden State.
Yes, and BostonBob is talking like Mass., especially Boston is shangrilla!
Massachusetts doesn’t exactly have low taxes either
Greetings from New York, where the crime is not out of control, especially not in any area where someone making eight figures a year would live.