Lamar Jackson has moved his deadline for a 2022 extension agreement up to Friday. The former MVP confirmed this today but added talks have not broken off. This is an artificial deadline, and Jackson added the talks “probably” will end Friday. The sides negotiated into last season, but the agent-less QB is against such a path this year.
Baltimore’s star quarterback has been connected to seeking a fully guaranteed deal, a la Deshaun Watson, while the Ravens are against such a structure. The Ravens are believed to have offered a deal north of Kyler Murray‘s $46.1MM-per-year pact, but Jackson remains unsigned. Two days ahead of this deadline, pessimism defines these talks.
Barring an 11th-hour shift, Jackson is expected to play the 2022 season on his $23MM fifth-year option, Mark Maske of the Washington Post notes. Previously, it was thought Jackson was giving the Ravens until their Sunday opener. But considering this deadline is designed to separate Jackson negotiations from his preparation for the 17-game season, it makes sense the three-time Pro Bowler would want to head into the weekend with this matter — extension or not — behind him.
A 2021 Baltimore offer matched the Bills’ $43MM-AAV Josh Allen extension. Jackson passed. While the Ravens have upped their offer this year and may well have increased it again this week, it is worth wondering where the team’s cutoff point resides.
Russell Wilson‘s five-year, $245MM Broncos extension includes $124MM fully guaranteed. Denver’s deal locks the nine-time Pro Bowler in through at least 2025, due to a March 2024 guarantee trigger. Jackson, 25, being eight years younger than the former Super Bowl winner would give him an excellent case to bridge the gulf between Wilson’s guarantee figure and Watson’s $230MM total. As the Broncos and Cardinals’ offseason deals have shown, teams are determined to make the Browns’ Watson contract an outlier. Whereas Kirk Cousins received his fully guaranteed Vikings deal (three years, $84MM) in free agency, as the Jets lurked, four teams were vying for Watson via trade. The Browns only offered their shocking proposal after being eliminated earlier in the process.
With the Year 5 option and two franchise tags as leverage, the Ravens will not offer a $230MM guarantee. It will be interesting to learn what Baltimore has proposed, guarantee-wise. Those tag possibilities also can work in Jackson’s favor. Even the first of them, should the Ravens give Jackson the exclusive tag, would move toward the $45MM range. That would be an unprecedented cap-clogging figure for the team to navigate ahead of the 2023 free agency period. No deal coming together by Friday would put this saga on track toward tag No. 1 come March.
Please please pay him as much as that bank can handle, Baltimore. Lol
DITTO ….
Break that bank and give the young man everything he is asking for. Please make Deshaun Watson so upset that he needs a massage to relax. Make Mr. Rodgers hit the mushrooms hard. Force Kyler Murray to cry his way to baseball.
Give Mr. Jackson a solid gold key to the Charm City that opens every Raven vault the NFL can afford.
They’d be absolutely stupid to pay him this kind of money and especially to full guarantee it. He’s not proven he is the guy to take you to the Superbowl even though you’ve completely built and offense around him. He’s regressed in each season after his MVP one, that’s opposite of the trend you want to see from a guy that is supposed to be your franchise guy.
The gamble/experiment has failed. Time to move on and rebuild.
The gamble/experiment has failed? They’ve had one losing season since he took over, it was one game below .500, and they were the most injured team in football.
And only 7 starting QBs in the NFL right now have taken a team to the Super Bowl. Not exactly the best standard.
They were not the most injured team in 2021, that is an absolute fact.
Superbowl? He is 1-4 in the playoffs. His numbers are DRAMATICALLY worse in the playoffs. The goal isn’t to dominate the regular season and then completely choke in the post season.
So all those teams that won superbowls didn’t have QBs on their teams? Newsflash. Every team in the history of the Superbowl has won a Superbowl has had a QB on it.
Winning a superbowl is a great standard. Joe Flacco only had one losing season with the Ravens AND won a Superbowl and you same Lamar joystick riders think he was terrible. He WON a superbowl and was the MVP of the most important game you play any season.
So if Joe Flacco was terrible, then Lamar Jackson is worse based on that criteria. If you don’t agree, then you are a hypocrite and a liar.
Like I said, only seven current NFL starters have led a team to a super bowl. You can double check if you like. (Eight if you count Flacco, but he’s not their real starter this year.) And we don’t dismiss 25 teams’ chances.
Also, Jackson is 1-3 in the playoffs. One of those losses was when he was a rookie with all of seven starts under his belt. Matthew Stafford lost his first three playoff starts, and it took him eight years in the league to even appear in that many. Writing a guy off completely based on four games is a reach.
So with Stafford was it because he was terrible, or because he was on a terrible Detroit Lions team. The moment he went to a well run organization he won it all.
Joe Flacco went 11-5 in his rookie season and then went on to go 2-1 in the playoffs that season. In one rookie season, Flacco had two more wins in the playoffs than Lamar has in his entire career so far. Flacco wasn’t even supposed to be the starter, he was the 3rd string option, but Troy Smith got a throat infection and then I believe Kyle Boller got injured.
I’m not writing Lamar off completely based on 4 playoff games. It is the entire package. Lamar Jackson is an incomplete QB. He can run like nobody else at the position. But, he’s not a runningback, he’s a QB, which means you need to pass the ball. Therein lies the problem. He makes poor decisions, he throws erratic passes, and there are throws on the field he can’t make.
Just like you are trying to tell me I can’t base everything on 4 playoff games, which I am not by the way, you can’t point to his single MVP season and base that he’s the greatest thing ever upon that. He’s REGRESSED each season after that. He was worse in the 1st year removed, and then was even worse than that the second year removed.
I never said he was the greatest. There were also extenuating circumstances last year. And Flacco had little to do with those playoff wins. He was carried by a defense with two first team all-pros and two other pro-bowlers. He completed less than 50% of his passes and had a 1-3 TD-INT ratio. The next year, he only completed four passes in their playoff win. He came out of his first five playoff games with a 1-6 TD-INT rate, but it turns out it was possible to ride him to a super bowl.
He won the Superbowl MVP.
And if you want to give Lamar credit for wins, then the same has to hold true for Flacco.
I love how you try to pick and choose the points to fit what you want to say.
So Lamar Jackson didn’t benefit from having a great tandem of runningbacks behind him and a tackle duo of Stanely and Brown Jr. and also having one of the better defenses in the league?
And when Lamar loses, it is the rest of the teams’ fault and injuries, because you know the Ravens were perfectly healthy the entire time Flacco was the QB and all the other players on the team were perfect too. I mean, it isn’t like he went into a season where his only receiver who he turned into almost a 1,000 yard receiver was a practice squad dude nobody ever heard of before or since in Kamar Aiken.
Yeah, you could ride Flacco to a superbowl, and he’s the reason they got to one that year in the first place and won the superbowl. Why? Because he was a pretty darn good QB and had one of the best playoff performances ever, I think it was even record setting, when he threw 11TDs and no picks.
Dude, you love Lamar and think he’s the greatest. You can’t come on here and say what you say and think anybody is buying a story of anything different. Who are you trying to fool, me, or yourself?
I think Lamar is really good, not the greatest, and I think most of the people who try to take him down a peg on here offer mostly arguments that don’t stand up to any scrutiny.
The easiest way to tell you’re brownsbacker is that you keep spending four paragraphs trying to incrementally move the hill you’re dying on.
The real brownsbacker wouldn’t make long posts like this at all. He also would be spending a lot more time talking about how great the Browns are. Not spending a lick of time caring about the Ravens.
My scrutiny of Lamar Jackson obliterates anything you’ve come up with to try to denounce it. Why? Because it is completely based on facts and not opinions or hype.
I’m not dying on any hill. I am standing on top of a mountain as the champion. A mountain made from burying all of your inane posts.
I have to write everything out with you because I have to explain things like I would explain them to an idiot. I have such great patience and am so generous because I am taking so much time to educate you. But, you do you. Keep believing the hype.
So, why is Lamar really good? Objectively speaking. Your argument usually is based upon his regular season wins, his winning seasons as a Ravens starter, and of course I will bet you will point to his regular season MVP. But please feel free to add on here if I am missing something.
I offer to you that Joe Flacco had more winning seasons, only had one losing season as a starter in which almost half the roster was on IR and ACTUALLY led the league in injuries that season, and when he got to the playoffs he actually won games, won a superbowl, and won a superbowl MVP in the same season he had a record setting playoff performance and was the sole reason why that team got to the playoffs, got through the playoffs, and won the whole thing. But to you, none of that matters, Joe was a terrible QB, but Lamar is God to you.
Explain that.
I never said Flacco was terrible. I said he was terrible in his first few playoff games—which he absolutely was—after you used four playoff games—which you miscounted—as evidence Jackson can never lead a team to a super bowl.
And you just spent another few paragraphs misrepresenting both of our points. CLASSIC brownsbacker.
I typed 1-4 instead of 1-3, it is called a typo.
So you must be brownsbacker then because you are misrepresenting my argument! Thanks for playing yourself. I’m not misrepresenting your argument at all. I got it pegged down and am exposing it for what it is. That makes you major sad.
So let me play some devil’s advocate here for sake of another point. Flacco in the first time ever going to the playoffs went 2-1. He won games. That’s important, right? After all, regular season wins are really important to you about how great Lamar Jackson is. Now, wouldn’t you say that playoff wins are even more important than regular season wins?
And I think what you are saying…is that a team can win….even if the QB may not exactly be playing all that well. Hmm…..interesting point you make there. I wonder what I am getting at? Can you figure it out?
I’ve gone deep enough down the rabbit hole of your nonsense, thanks. If you want to keep dancing back and forth about this, you’ll find your answer in a response I’ve already given.
The only nonsense here is you. You’re walking away because you know you’ve lost. I haven’t danced at all. You haven’t directly answered most of what I’ve asked you because you know I’m right.
OK, a few responses:
Why is Lamar Jackson good? I never said he was good because they have winning seasons. I’m saying winning seasons are an indication they can–and do–win with him. But why is he good? Well, his MVP season wasn’t just an award season, it was spectacular. 36 passing TDs, another 7 rushing, and only 6 interceptions. His best season by far, but that’s actual accomplished upside. He’s growing as a passer, and Even if he’s only been a very exciting second tier QB since then, that’s a lot better than people on here treat him like, and certainly enough to contend with the right supporting cast. He’s got an 84-31 career TD-INT ratio, along with 21 more rushing TDs. He’s not only an extremely dangerous running threat himself, but opens up the running game for the backs–as evidenced by Baltimore leading the league in rushing yards per attempt in 2019 and 2020, falling only to 6th last year with all their injuries. And he’s got a career 64.4% completion percentage. It’s not like he’s an erratic passer.
You offer that Joe Flacco had more winning seasons. I offer that Joe Flacco spent the first five years of his career with the greatest defensive core since the turn of the millennium. The first season he didn’t have a winning record was the first season he didn’t have Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, AND Haloti Ngata manning the defense. Flacco had a strong postseason in 2012 culminating in a fantastic super bowl. I never said otherwise. I cited the first few playoff games of his career as evidence that a QB can lead a team to a Super Bowl even if his early playoff experience is inauspicious. I did so, because you held up Lamar Jackson’s first four playoff games as evidence that he would never be able to lead them to a Super Bowl. I’ve made this point clearly several times. I shouldn’t need to make it again.
His MVP season was fantastic. You forgot to mention how much he fumbles though and how that also leads to turnovers.
You claim he’s progressing as a passer. I point out to you again, that the year after his MVP season he regressed. And the season after that he regressed even further. That to me says he’s regressing as a passer, not progressing.
Mark Ingram and Gus Edwards were already 1,000 yard capable runners before they played with Lamar. Saying he added to that isn’t correct.
I think you need to look at his on target and off target percentages more than completion percentage. He is an erratic passer which is why the game plan for him is to pass short and intermediate inside the hashes because those are the easiest passes to complete. He also doesn’t throw as much as other QB’s do. That being said, in 2021 his on target % was 73.3% which ranks him 28th in the league. In 2020 it was 75.3% which was 23rd in the league. In his MVP season it was 76% which was 13th in the league.
I do offer up that Joe Flacco won. I am not saying Flacco was the best ever, but he was a very good QB. He did have a good defense, but that’s not all he lost in that losing record season, he also lost all of his starting WR’s to where Kamar Aiken from the practice squad was now his number 1. That was the year the Ravens were actually the most injured team in the NFL.
Lamar has benefited from having a good defense and a good O-line until last year if you want to make that argument against Flacco. Lamar isn’t playing with a team full of chopped liver.
I am not basing my assessment of Lamar on just 4 post season games. It is the whole body of work. I’ve stated my reasons numerous times in this thread alone. I don’t think Lamar can win a Superbowl because of the style he has to play with. It could happen, Trent Dilfer won a superbowl after all and he was pretty terrible. Then Dan Marino, one of the best ever, never won one.
You don’t make a clear point because you keep changing what you say, and then make up things I never said and try to discredit my points based upon what you make up. That’s why you have to keep replying. Because I shoot down what you offer with facts, and you keep making up new stuff to try to shoot down what I prove to be true. That might work on other people, but it will never work with me.
I never made up any claims from you and you’ve danced around mine. I cited team rushing yards per attempt, in which they jumped to top of the league from middle of the pack when Jackson took over. You countered with something vaguer about two running backs.
But anyway, I’ve been consistent and you’re projecting. I have other evening plans. Enjoy Brissett this season, brownsbacker.
I won’t enjoy any football this year because I don’t find the NFL product enjoyable and I won’t be watching, just like I haven’t for the past 4 years now.
You said Lamar improved the ground game for the runningbacks. I said they were already good to begin with. It wasn’t vague. It was a direct counterpart to your point.
My point has been consistent all along. I see you just completely avoided Lamar not being an erratic passer after I prove to you, with cold hard facts, that he most definitely is. This isn’t opinion, subjective, conjecture, racism, or “hate.” It is straight fact. When it comes to delivering the ball on target, Lamar is one of the worst in the game.
Third fewest points in the league, pretty amazing hmm?
2018: Ravens defense 2nd in PTS Allowed
2019: Ravens defense 3rd
2020: Ravens defense 2nd
2021: Ravens defense 19th.
Gosh, what does this look like? It seems that Lamar Jackson in his first three years had an even better defense than Flacco did in his first three.
What happened when Lamar lost his great defense…
Thank you, mic drop.
And if Lamar ever got hot for a round of playoffs with a great defense backing him up, I think he could win one too.
He’s had a great defense.
That’s why I also included the first part of the sentence, brownsbacker.
And there is a reason why I didn’t, brownsbacker.
Funny, for being brownsbacker, I really don’t seem to support the browns at all and in fact deride them a lot.
Most injured no. Most time lost by actual starters yes. You can’t compare losing linemen to losing your entire skill position group. In terms of impactful injury games missed they worked out to roughly twice the next closest.
Flacco lost both, so not sure what you are talking about here.
This “impactful games missed” you don’t know that for sure. These are all projections based on what they’ve done in the past. You have no idea how these players would have played that season.
Franchise him twice and if he’s still in one piece and can still run after that, THEN consider extending him.
I would franchise him and then work on a trade. No extension.
He better get himself an agent. If he’s turning down Kyler Murray money, he needs some guidance. If he thinks he’s getting Watson money, he needs even more guidance.
He wants that kind of money AND to have it fully guaranteed. NOPE. Bye. Go find that noise somewhere else. He is absolutely not worth that kind of deal. Nobody is.
Something tells me a lot of the reports on Jackson are iffy information at best. This is the same organization that managed to trade Hollywood for a first rounder without it leaking that he had requested a trade months earlier.
I can’t imagine anyone having interest in a rumor website that deals in “iffy” information… oh wait!
Touché. But that’s doesn’t mean we should take all of them with the same number of grains of salt.
Dude, what does “rumor” mean…..you have to explain it like you are talking to a five year old for Oooof.
This has Dennis Schroder, Nerlens Noel, and Victor Oladipo written all over it.
If your goal is winning the Super Bowl then find someone else to give your money to – as this guy isn’t going to do that. But if all you want to do is sell Ravens jerseys and generate local fan interest then pay Jackson and cross your fingers he doesn’t leave your team in cap purgatory for the last four years of his new contract.
I seem to recall people saying Flacco was a waste of money and would never win a Super Bowl.
Flacco got his money AFTER he lucked into his 2012 Super Bowl appearance – and he never won a meaningful game after that.
lucked into?
The dude had one of the best post season performances ever 11TD and 0 INT. He carried that team the whole way and won the superbowl MVP.
THEN he got his money, rightfully so. They went back to the playoffs in 2014 and he won a game. The Ravens really whiffed on some drafts and didn’t give Flacco a true #1 or a good OL to work with. After the Ray Rice fiasco they didn’t have much of a ground game anymore.
Apparently your memory is also faulty. Flacco’s 2012 season should have ended in Denver with an interception/broken up pass – but the Denver safety simply misplayed the ball and it went for a 70 yard TD (similar to the New Orleans’ misplay against Minnesota in 2018).
Yeah, Flacco noticed the safety out of position and chucked to the open guy. That’s usually how big plays happen.
My memory isn’t faulty. Flacco had one of, if not the best, playoff runs in the history of the game, and won the superbowl MVP.
I guess you think “The Immaculate Reception” was also terrible? Let’s take that win away from the Steelers.
Stephen Ross is probably tampering as we speak.