The Saints and Patriots expect to continue exploring a Malcolm Butler trade, but the two sides simply might not be able to agree on trade compensation, according to Jason La Canfora of CBSSports.com (Twitter links). JLC suggests that the Patriots’ demands for Butler could be altered by a Jimmy Garoppolo trade, but it’s not clear if that comes from first-hand knowledge of team thinking or if that is just speculative.
A deal could be hard to swing since it would likely require the Saints to pay Butler like a top cornerback and sacrifice significant draft compensation. Meanwhile, this is a strong class for cornerbacks and the secondary as a whole. The Patriots have been wheelin’ and dealin’ this offseason, but ultimately they have the option of standing pat and retaining Butler at a $3.91MM salary for the 2017 season. The Patriots are still open to a deal, as today’s report indicates, but they’re not necessarily motivated sellers and they won’t take pennies on the dollar.
The Patriots might place a draft-day deadline on talks as they may not be interested in taking on 2018 picks as compensation. That means the Butler-to-the-Saints saga (at least, for 2017) could soon be put to rest in a matter of days.
Why do I feel like the pats have no leverage in either scenario. JG is going to be a free agent next year, why would any team sacrifice first round picks for that? And Butler is not going to net them a first round pick otherwise the saints would have just did a clean swap for Cooks.
the saints couldnt trade for butler as he wasn’t currently under contract so the thought process is the 32nd pick was used as a placeholder. Also for Jimmy G, would you rather spend a 1st round pick on a guy with 1 year of college experience like trubinsky or a guy thats at least performed well against NFL caliber defenses, albeit a small sample size. He was highly regarded coming out of school and has had time to learn from Brady and company.
I wouldn’t spend a first round pick on any QB in this draft class. Especially with the depth in next year’s class.
Considering the Pats have two rings in three years, and the fact they’re going all in while Brady is still playing at a high level, I doubt they’re all that worried about leverage. They’re in total “win now” mode while they can be.
Vs. 1 year of a QB? I’m taking every QB in the first 2 rounds of this draft ahead of 1 year of Jimmy G… just because it’s 1 year.
so you can be stuck with a bum for 4 years? if jimmy doesnt perform, you let him go. if he does, you lock him up or tag him.
Maybe. 1 year of Jimmy G doesn’t build me anything. I don’t love any of these QBs in the draft, but I’m certainly not taking one year of Jimmy G over any of them. Even Kizer or a Brad Kaaya. One year doesn’t build me anything.
Think about it another way… if jimmy G throws 40 TD and is all pro you have to pay him after 1 year. If your team drafts a qb in the first round and year 3 he throws 40 TD and is all pro you have 2 more years of cheap control plus the 5 yr option which is considerably less than top qb money
And if you draft a QB in the first round and he stinks, you have to pay him for 3 more years, you’ve wasted a first-round pick, and you’ll have to start all over again.
its not much nowadays for a busted 1… . and if the puck you trade to the pats becomes a hall of famer……
When you bust on a first round pick for a QB, yeah it does set you back more so than any other position. When a team drafts a QB in the first round they build their program around what that QB can do…when he’s a bust, the whole system is a bust.
giving up a 1 for Jimmy could be a bust so it goes both ways
It’s a good thing you’re not in management of an NFL team.
Yeah but he’s a free agent… he can go anywhere, and any extension is going to be really expensive in his last year. There isn’t even a question I wouldn’t do this… barring a reasonably priced extension locked in before a trade. I’m not even trading a 2nd rounder for one year.
Can anyone tell me what they have seen from Jimmy G that tells you he won’t be a top 15 QB? What is so different about Jimmy G than Jared Goff because if you look at what the Rams gave up for Goff it would be hilarious to think JG isn’t worth at least a first round pick. Probably worth more.
nobody saw anything wrong with Ryan leaf either.
It’s not like if you trade for JG you have to give him $50M guaranteed. You play him for the year, if he performs well you franchise him…$22M/$23M for 1 year, and if he plays well again then you can pretty much assume he’s legit, and give him a long-term deal. There’s less risk in JB than there is in a college QB.
its just that easy isn’t it. never mind the kirk cousins situation.
Yeah, it could be that easy. The point that was being made was that a team trading for JG would only have one year to decide on making a significant (tens of millions of guaranteed dollars) financial commitment, which is false. The Kirk Cousins situation is in a way irrelevant. Yes, the Redskins have had to franchise him twice, but it hasn’t hurt their cap/long-term situation at all, and the reason why a long-term deal hasn’t gotten done is because they’ve lowballed him on guaranteed money. If you were Cousins would you sign a 5 year deal with $25M-$30M guaranteed, or force their hand and make them franchise you and get significantly more while still having the opportunity to sign a long-term deal? Also, that situation has more to do with how the Redskins are wrong with Dan Synder in charger. Can’t think of many happy players there, who do not have issues with the team/management.
OK, you understand so little about contracts so I’ll just let you have your dream. Jimmy G to browns for 10#1s….
The saints should just keep their picks. I believe they could get a higher potential player then Butler. Its not taking anything away from Malcolm Butler though. He would upgrade that secondary immediately. I just like a lot about the secondary in this draft, so many options and potential.
Saints should take a 4th Rd plus M. Butler. For their later 3rd rounder 103? And a 2nd Rd pick in 2018