A week after a 23rd woman filed a civil lawsuit against Deshaun Watson, another massage therapist has done so, Sarah Barshop of ESPN.com reports (on Twitter).
The number of women who have accused the Browns quarterback of sexual misconduct and/or sexual assault stood at 22 for many months. The 23rd accuser filed suit after seeing two of Watson’s accusers, Kyla Hayes and Ashley Solis, detail their allegations during an episode of HBO’s Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel in late May.
The 24th lawsuit indicates the accuser and Watson met for two massages, the first ending early because the quarterback took a phone call. The second is when the alleged misconduct took place, with the suit also indicating the plaintiff quit massage therapy because of it, according to Barshop and ESPN.com’s Jake Trotter. This suit also alleges Watson sought massages from “random strangers on Instagram” more than 100 times, per Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk. The Real Sports segment also indicated Watson has received more than 100 massages in a year.
Watson has denied all allegations against him, but the rising number of accusers will apply pressure on the NFL from a public-perception standpoint. The league has concluded its interviews with the 26-year-old passer. The period for pretrial discovery expires July 1, pointing to a suspension coming after that date. Watson has not been criminally charged, but that is not necessary for a suspension under the NFL’s personal conduct policy.
Ten of the first 22 accusers made criminal complaints against Watson. Those led to two grand juries not recommending charges against the embattled quarterback. The civil suits are also not expected to be resolved until at least 2023, with the increasing number of suits set to drag this process out. But a suspension is expected to be handed down before this season begins. Additional punishment could emerge after the conclusion of the civil suits, but with that process set to pause from August 1, 2022-March 1, 2023, it is possible this matter will not be finalized by the start of the 2023 season.
Monday’s lawsuit mentions the “happy endings” remark Watson defense attorney Rusty Hardin made during an interview with Houston Sports Radio 610 last week, Barshop adds (via Twitter). Hardin referenced happy-ending massages not being illegal, and while Watson’s defense leader later attempted to clarify his remarks as hypothetical, the attorney for all 24 accusers, Tony Buzbee, said (via Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com) they would be used in civil suits alleging Watson attempted to turn massages from therapeutic to sexual in nature.
The 23rd lawsuit emerged before Hardin’s comments, but it alleges Watson offered each accuser $100K to settle the cases. Not all of the accusers were prepared to settle, Florio notes, adding Watson’s team included “aggressive nondisclosure agreements” as part of those settlement offers. The NDA matter came up when the Texans and Dolphins were discussing a Watson deal before last year’s trade deadline. The Dolphins moved in a different direction, leading to the Browns signing off on a trade and historic extension agreement. They now await to learn how much time their new quarterback will miss.
Man… unprecedented season coming up for Browns fans…..
Nah! It’s kinda normal ever since Jimmy Haslam bought the Browns….this is just them taking it to a whole new level..
Baker Mayfield is awesome too bad Haslams don’t see what they have…
I’m a fan of Baker but I don’t think he’s a great quarterback. Apparently he wasn’t loved by all his teammates either.
At least he isn’t a scumbag. You think Watson (or anyone) will be “loved by all his teammates”???
So far so good. 30 offensive guys went to the Bahamas with him.I doubt they needed a vacation paid for. He didn’t even include the rookies or street free agents. I like Baker but Watson is definitely an upgrade
Great! I hope you all are the worst franchise in the league, and I wish you nothing but sports failure and misfortune.
That would be the Lions
I hope you all are worse than the Lions. At least you don’t have to keep your children away from their QB…who ever that is!
Children? I didn’t see where Watson was investigated for that. I’d delete that post if I were you
He is a deviant. I wouldn’t want to be around him, myself. I have daughters that are teenagers, children, and I don’t want them anywhere near this guy. I stand by my post. Sorry for hurting your feelings, but this is the guy that you all picked as the face of the franchise. I would not even put my little girl or boy in a Watson jersey.
I’m not buying a Watson jersey but I root for a team, not an individual player. You don’t hurt my feelings. I really don’t care about Watson the person, I care about Watson the quarterback. Just because I root for the Browns doesn’t really change me. Just like people who voted for Trump. It doesn’t mean that they are for sexual deviants, it just means that they believe he’s the best guy to run the country
I think it means that because he plays for my team, I will look past things that I would not tolerate from a player from another team. With Trump, and in this case Watson. Root for/vote for any deviant you want, but the justification makes you sound like a deviant apologist, whether that is what you mean or not. Republicans, Democrats, the Browns, are all linked forever to the deviants that they compromised their values for because he was the best “QB/ Person for the job”. What if Trump was just a one term reality TV star that was a Russian operative as well as a deviant who had no clue what he is doing and lost two elections (you know getting less votes than his oppent), and Watson is just the .500 QB that his career stats say he is? Then you have compromised your values and linked yourself with a deviant for no reason.
I’m definitely not a Trump fan. I can distance myself from sports and other things. There are a lot of good guys on the Browns. Why should I root against them? I still attend Catholic Church even though they have had much worse things done by their “employees “. If I weren’t a Browns fan, I probably wouldn’t be commenting on this story. I honestly would still have the same opinion. Watson has a deserved suspension coming. I don’t think that a guy that hasn’t been even charged with a crime should be written off for life.
Yep. Got it. I think that playing in the NFL and other entertainment is a privilege, not a right. I don’t think charged with a crime is the only thing that should warrant a suspension. We all think know that a suspension is coming. How long is the only question. A public shaming is also coming. He will be taunted and name-called as long as he plays football. As far as writing off for life, how can you ever not think of this when you think of the Browns and their face of the franchise?
Lots of franchises have had worse actors. Murderers actually but that is not what I think about first. You do realize that Watson hasn’t even had his day in court. Right now all your hearing is the ladies side. The Grand Juries got to hear both sides. That’s the way justice is in civilized countries
And you realize this isn’t court. And here we go round again!!
Civil Court is Court. He still gets to present his side and the women, although easier, must prove that he did damage to them. I imagine that he may settle the civil cases once he receives his suspension. Something did occur and we’ll find out if it was consensual or not. Apparently it wasn’t criminal or they would have charged him. I’m thinking 8 games.
Look, this isn’t civil court, either. It’s the court of opinion. In my opinion, and in the opinion of many others, his word vs. the word of 24 plus women means he is a creepy, sleazeball, and even if he ultimately wasn’t charged criminally because of the difficult nature to prove one person’s word against another in a criminal setting, he did what they said he did in sworn testimony. We can keep going around if you want. I don’t mind. We keep getting to the same place. In this court of public opinion, I believe the 24 women, and you question their motives and support Watson no matter what. That has been well established in this thread. You keep arguing/suggesting that people do not have the right to take these 24 women and their word and then make inferences about who Watson is and what he is about, and I say that they can and will. Then you bring up court again. Then we do this all again.
Watson did do something. I’m not saying he did nothing. He will be suspended and rightfully so. I don’t believe everything he says and I don’t believe everything the women say. Were some appalled at his actions? Yes. Were some not bothered much by his actions until money came into the picture? Yes. Some of these same women that are suing him continued to see him. Don’t you have a problem with that? There’s no doubt Watson acted inappropriate but I don’t think it was criminal. You never did say who you root for because I’m quite sure your team has someone on it that did something. I like the Cleveland Browns and I’ll root for them. All of them. Like I said before, do you give up on religion because practically every faith has had major major issues. Worse than Watson
I don’t have a problem with anything the women said in sworn testimony. You are very concerned with the findings of the grand jury. Were any of these women charged with giving false testimony? I don’t know why some women saw him again. Maybe it got progressively worse? Maybe they were worried about their career? Maybe they have a sick family member and needed the job? I am not questioning their motives because I am not in their shoes and I don’t believe that Watson deserves the benefit of the doubt. You should read the testimony from the women and then think what if people think that it is true. Word for word. Then you will know why I feel the way I do about Watson. I root for the Seahawks. They have players who have “done stuff”. None of them, or any other player that I know of, has 24 women swearing in court that they turned a working relationship into unwanted and inappropriate sexual misconduct. Watson is also the face of the franchise. Not saying it’s better if it’s the long snapper, but we all know the QB of a franchise is different.
I’m not disputing the number of plaintiffs. I’m disputing that I don’t really think Watson did anything criminal. You keep saying that this isn’t a criminal count but I judge a person on if they did anything criminally wrong. Apparently Watson didn’t. Apparently the Grand Juries didn’t think he did either. He will get suspended and he’ll move on with his career and play very good football. He’ll pay a price. That’s what happens in the United States. You pay a price and you move on. The real women affected by this will move and the ones who continued to see him will get paid too. Hopefully the one they have sworned testimony that tried to bribe him will go to jail
Once again, Browns front office is fist bumping “our boy got another one.” Now hurry and find another woman to hire so you can deflect how disgusting your organization is.
Watson Never playing again : (
I hope not!
I wish that were the case but we all know Goodell will give him a slap on the wrist unless video evidence comes out or it starts affecting the bottom line.
Video evidence like Kraft?
They had video evidence of Kraft going into and out of an establishment. Further, the allegation (which, imo, is true) was that he paid for services. Watson’s accusations are that he sexually assaulted women, ie had no consent whatsoever. Please stop comparing the two, because they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Sex trafficking is still a crime. You think Watson forced these women? I highly doubt that. If he did, I’d think at least one woman would have gone to the police that night or the next day. In fact, some of these women continued to see him
U really are Watson’s brownsfudgepacker lmao
He didn’t have to force them sticking his lil Whilbur in or on their hand. It seems the guy was proud of Wilbur and wanted to show him off. A few of the girls he did it were either not in on happy endings or were mad because he sucked at tipping. That is not sexual pervs I mean paying extra for appreciation of service.
I am not sure about 24 she watched 2 girls spell it out then thought I can change the story a little and get on the gravy train. Unless she has a blue dress with a stain on it.
Anyone know if there was language in the contract that he loses the money if he goes to jail. Yes I know right now he will not be tried criminally. I say right now because if he is a predator he will do it again. If massage girls start missing they better check his travels. I am kidding or am I?
The reason I asked about forfeiting the pay because it would serve the team right for trading for him. I also don’t think they could get out from the contract because of moral turpitude. They went into this with eyes open then gave him what could be a team killing contract for many years. Imagine paying all that money and he never takes a snap in reg season. Sad for the fans though.
He’s playing this year. No criminal charges. Nothing. He’s like Trump
it’s more likely he never plays, than he plays this year.
Wanna bet? You’d lose. The Browns have done their homework on this. They’ve done their own investigation, as did the other teams in on Watson. They feel confident that a suspension will not be very long. I predict 4-8 games. He’ll appeal and it may get reduced. The Browns guaranteed have all the information the NFL has
he won’t be getting suspended until next year
Why did 9 of those women continue to see him?
Yes. I think he forced them. I think he is a complete creep and a slimeball. I think the Browns are sleazy and creepy too. I think that the fans that defend Watson and the Browns are also creepy and wrong. Just what I think. Not saying he was “charged with a crime” or that the women went to the police in a manner that satisfies Brownsbacker9. Just what I, and millions of others, think based on the evidence.
As a Bengals fan , this is hilarious!
Best Regards,
Baker Mayfield
Keep ’em coming
Best regards,
Jacoby Brissett
How much money is allocated to the QB position for the Browns?
and they still don’t have one lol
Lmao good one!
Really nothing too crazy for this season due to the contract structure of Watsons deal. Total with baker and brissett and Watson is about 33.5mil I believe.
I wonder if there is a clause in Watson’s contract to allow for the Browns to get out from under it easily.
I don’t think so. They even structured it so that his guaranteed salary in year one is only about $1 million, so that even if he’s suspended the whole season, it won’t really affect his money. Pretty gross.
My biggest issue with the league and NFLPA approving that salary structure means that it was already public knowledge internally how long the suspension would last.
Not necessarily. They just probably assumed it would be some portion of this season and not likely affect other seasons.
Sure, but even so, the NFLPA has rejected backloaded deals in the past, as has the NFL. It’s a horrible look.
but one million…come on …that is ridiculous…not sure why they do not want to settle out of court. I wonder if the women knew who he was when they were giving the massages. ..
Remember, each and every one of the Browns fans who defend Watson now would have said the EXACT same things if he were a Falcon or a Saint.
Right?
I’m sure they would, right? Exact same arguments and opinions of the matter.
Like the song goes:
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
Wow, one more and he gets a free set of steak knives.
Most of these masseuses could get more than $100K by signing up for an HBO/NetFlix tell-all. Watson should offer them all $1 million each, as he’s got the money to burn.
This man has problems
Who goes to a reputable message place and expects sex? How can he, and sub-sequentially the Browns, thinks this behavior is natural?
Only socially handicapped people would not see this behavior morally bankrupt, at best, criminal at worst
He still today thinks he did nothing wrong. How can 24 independent message workers be wrong?
Only one person/entity looks more clueless than Watson, it’s the Cleveland Browns management team.
Now it’s guilt by association when his teammates support such suspect behavior
Where the team mates who have wives, sisters, daughters and female friends
How is it we give passes to athletes? Why can readers of this post sit and do nothing?
Let your voices be heard.
Watsons thinks it’s ok to expose himself to women, if he did this in a community park, it’s a crime. Indecent exposure
But society and football fans, turn a blind eye to this behavior, this makes them complicit. Part of the problem, not the solution.
This man either has the worst luck in the world or a serious problem relating to acceptable behavior.
The man had money. I’m quite sure many women groupies would willingly satisfy his desire to fornicate. Still considered a biblical sin
This man professes to be a “Christian”.
Where’s the mature mentors to counsel this broken man?
He should enroll himself into a sex addiction program today. Settle his civil lawsuits. Plead for public mercy and forgiveness
Only then would I have respect for a fellow broken sinner
Till then
He’s the blind leading the blind. He’s fallen into a public ditch. But no one wants to hold him accountable for bad behavior
Let’s not forget after 22 women accused him is when he set that record breaking guaranteed money. Our society is disgusting, if you have a skill that can generate millions of dollars then you can get away with most crimes including rape and murder. It happens in all sports. Matt Bush once killed someone drunk driving yet he’s still in baseball. It drives you mad to think about it
10 of the 22 original complainants filed charges against Watson. 2 grand Juries recommended no criminal charges against Watson. Unless he physically forced these women or threatened them to engage with him, I see a pervert and not a criminal. Why isn’t he in jail or arrested if he’s so guilty. I’m not necessarily believing him or the women. I’ll believe the investigation
keep gargling that white stuff
Jesus was accused by everyone too. Deshaun is the modern day Jesus.
No dog in the fight, but even as an outsider… I don’t think you understand Jesus.
Ok, I’ve been thinking for a while that you’re just a misguided, diehard Browns fan but now I think you have to be trolling. I mean, Deshaun Watson, a modern day Jesus. Just wow.
lol now im for sure youre trolling
Lots of similarities
They are persecuting Watson because his socio-political teachings are a threat to the dominant social casts/groups political and socio-economic power within an ethnic society?
On top of that, their views on women couldn’t be more different: as it can be argued that Jesus was amongst the first feminist icons.
I’m not sure I follow your thoughts on this one buddy. I mean even looking at it non religiously… it just looks like trolling, ignorance, or negative religious bias.
God Bless you
Please don’t insult Christians and compare Our Lord Jesus Christ to this dirt bag
It’s extremely hard to convict someone in criminal court by the standard of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a he said, she said case, so criminal charges often aren’t brought. That isn’t the standard for civil suits, NFL suspensions, or common sense. Physically forcing someone or threatening someone are not the only ways to violate consent. You’re once again being gross, obviously choosing to pretend you believe whatever benefits the Browns on the field. Once again, I’ll remind you that you could just say nothing instead of outing yourself as gross.
So being accused means you’re guilty? Every team in the Browns division has or had a player that was accused of heinous acts and yet fans in their respective stadiums are wearing their jerseys. I’ll never buy a Watson jersey. Lots of rape cases go to trial. You would think with 24 ladies accusing Watson that there would be some sort of evidence. Doesn’t it make you think? Watson doesn’t seem like a genius mastermind criminal that covers his tracks. Not one shred of prosecutorial evidence out of 24?
I’m not interested in seeing which argument you trot out–especially since you try all sorts of different, conflicting talking points. You’re always throwing out whatever thin or nonsensical arguments you think justify the Browns acquiring Watson, Watson playing, and you rooting for them.
Don’t you believe in innocent until proven guilty? There’s no criminal trial. I can think all I want about Trump being a tax fraud cheat but because New York didn’t press charges, he’s not subject to any punishment. Same thing with Watson. I do think he’ll be suspended but hopefully it’s only for 4 games.
Innocent until proven guilty is for the government sending someone to prison. It’s not for employing someone or rooting for someone or actually thinking someone is an innocent person.
So you’d be ok losing your job if a date you had consensual sex with accused you of assault AFTER she continued to see you?
What does this have to do with Deshaun Watson, his two dozen accusers, and the team that went out of their way to acquire him and give him a record setting contract that was structured to not be reduced if he were suspended the whole first year? (Don’t take the question mark as a mandate to answer. Once again, you’d be smarter saying nothing.)
Denzel Ward’s 1st year of his contract is for 1 million. Do you think the Browns designed Watson’s contract because they still have Mayfield under contract and most likely will have to pay a good chunk of his salary? The Browns hopefully will move on from Clowney and Conklin after this year so that’s 20 million. Teams do this all the time. A few months ago, the NFL was leaning towards not doing anything until after the civil cases. The Browns had no idea of the timetable.
Watson’s contract guarantees more per year than Ward’s does total. They’re not similar contract situations.
I suggested repeatedly that you would seem more reasonable if you said nothing at all. You then went on to compare Deshaun Watson to Jesus. I stand by my advice.
Of course Watson’s contract guarantees more than Ward’s contract. The statement made was the Browns set up Watson’s contract so he wouldn’t lose much money if suspended. That’s not the case because Ward’s is set up the same way. You’re willing to convict Watson without evidence or charges. I will follow the investigation. Give me one reason why they would refuse to indict Watson? Lack of evidence is the answer You’re looking for.
The contracts aren’t even slightly similar. Ward’s base is also low in year two. Watson’s salary is $46 million every year but the first.
I’ve already discussed your question about charges. I’m done with you and your bull.
If 24 women publicly accused me of sexually assaulting them, yes, of course I would expect to lose my job. And in almost literally any other job, that’s what would happen to you.
But Deshaun Watson can throw a football, so mouth-breathing cretins will defend him. Troll or not, you’re a pretty disgusting person.
He’s not been arrested or jailed because these cases were moved to civil court.
Maybe the real reason the Browns won’t release Baker. How’s the NFL going to cover this one up?
Dood…F’n women. Seriously.
I find it funny that everyone is so quick to crucify the Browns, but no one cares that the Texans profited from all these “heinous acts.” Shouldn’t they get the same amount of crap as the Browns, for “profiting off a “serial predator?”” I personally don’t care what he did, if what he did was consensual, and we clearly know that women lie in these scenarios a lot (Amber Heard). And if two grand juries don’t indict him, who am I to judge?
How did the Texans do anything wrong here? He hasn’t played a down of football since these accusations started.
The Heard judgment was ridiculous and Depp is about to stand trial for assaulting a crew member.
So I see how you are. If a jury finds a defendant not guilty, you think it’s ridiculous but if a jury finds not enough evidence to go to trial, you go ahead and convict anyway? Glad you adhere to the constitution
They’re completely different situations, including one being a civil suit and one being a question of criminal proceedings. Once again, you could just shut up.
BB you watch any of the Depp trial? I did and they both were to blame. How many of the jurors you think leaned towards Depp because he is more known. Capt Jack Sparrow could never do that he is a good little pirate.
In this Grand Jury you think some of them thought Watson is a good QB and on my favorite team. I wanted to make sure but the couple articles I read said the defendant wasn’t there. I am not sure if his name is said but you would have to not have any public exposure to not know who he was. Bias is involved in much that we do. They needed 9 to convict. The jury was in Texas you think there wasn’t a bit of bias there?
If anything, they would have hated Watson. He demanded to be traded and said he’d never play for the Texans again. Try again.
So you act like you’re some super liberal and want to always take the woman’s or minorities side of things, but then you can condescend strangers you disagree with by calling them stupid and telling them to shut up? How is that not rude and immature? Mr. Moral high ground can’t even have a civil debate with people without totally insulting them? That’s a shame. I used to have more respect for your posts, even though I disagree with 90% of them. At least you were well thought out.
I guess you’re responding to Ooof? I’ve never once told someone to shut up
Yeah, ooof
24 women (and counting) lied? I THINK NOT!
No, the Texans flushed a social PR dumpster fire out of the airlock. The Browns paid a premium for the same situation with the reckless abandon of a kid jumping into a germy ball pit at a Chuck-E-Cheese.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the wives section at his first game in CLE.
The wives have no idea whether these women are 100% truthful or in it for a payoff
This guy needs to see a shrink. He has some problems he needs professional help with. Imagine how many more he already paid to stay quiet.
Very true, and Brownsbacker9 needs some help as well…
Wow but not surprised though! Super rapest gets the biggest guaranteed contract in history good precedent you set there, Cleveland, you morons! I hope you get what’s deserved, a big disgusting rapest that never plays for you and sets you back easily 10 years! Haha just fire the P.O.S. Now!
He’ll play this year and every year for the next 10.
How can you be both sleepy and triggered at the same time lol?
I don’t foresee this ending happily for the Browns
It did for Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl after the fact
Also the ray Lewis murder
It did for Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl after the fact. Nobody who’s never been criminally charged with a crime has ever been suspended for more than a year
Tell us for a third time, you rube.
Big Bendy didn’t win a SB it was given to him. The next year the Ref was at a preseason practice and told the crowd he missed some calls and too many of the calls went against the Seahawks. It was part of the NFLs plan to let the Bus win a SB in his hometown. There was also a “missed” call in one of their playoff games that gave them the win.
You are correct about his rape charges though. He had a State Trooper on his security staff. The 2nd rape the trooper was standing outside the bathroom and wouldn’t let her friends in. Supposedly Bennie was in apologizing to her. He lost his job a few months later. If Ben was doing nothing wrong the Trooper would have let the girls in. There was enough evidence to fire the Trooper though.
Also you in your foolishness just made the case about Watson. Ben didn’t get even charged for anything because of name. Wonder if that could happen in Texas?
And Ben got suspended. I expect Watson to get suspended too. Nobody really knows what happened except the participants. Like I said before, Watson has issues but it’s not criminal or he would have been criminally charged.
Ben won both Super Bowls before either accusation.
So, not only is he wrong, but he’s wrong about the basis upon which he is wrong.
As a browns fan I’m embarrassed, I would have rather had Baker and his arrogance than this..
Maybe I’ll just become a Vikings fan due to my heritage this franchise is never not humiliating.
Were you embarrassed when they signed Hunt?
Presumably they were. But also Hunt kicked a women. Watson is alleged to have sexually assaulted over two dozen women. Stop comparing him to other people because there is none.
Alleged. Does it make you wonder why 2 grand Juries failed to indict? Or doesn’t evidence mean anything to you?
Actually, you could compare him to Trump. Only if 12 more women come forward. Maybe Watson can run for President after he’s done winning Super Bowls for the Browns
Dude we get it. You hate Trump. Not sure why you keep referencing him like he lives rent free in your head. But you just sound like an imbecile. There’s nothing political about this. Your comparison is like oranges to rapist apples. The point is there are probably a lot of other comparisons. You just keep spouting the same garbage thinking you’ll get a different result. Which is the very definition of insanity.
So…wait…are you calling Watson a rapist, but defending Trump…?
Watson is a piker next to Mr. Grabthembytheir…
29 to 24.
b00 most fans feel sorry for the good fans in Cleveland. We all have idiots like this as part of our base. At least I respect fans like the dawg pound etc.
For BB Seattle had a WR named Brian Blades him and his brother were at a party at their cousins house over money I believe. 3 went in 2 walked out and the brothers didn’t know what happened. I would never root for that murder and was glad when he was gone. I am never going to root for a player that gets away with this crap.
If NCIS has taught me anything. Rule #39.
Sounds like a regular gravy train all lined up to dip into Deshaun’s wallet… Just what the Browns, the NFL and all of us fans really need to watch…
Come on girls! There are at least 26 more of you out there that should get in on this.
Dindu Nuffin….
Do we hear 25, 25, 25, anybody have 25?
The hits keep coming.
24 said he did nothing.
That isn’t true. I think Brownsbacker9 is actually Watson’s Grandma. Even Watson himself said that women left crying. Which 24 women said nothing happened? I would settle for two or four.
It’s crazy he didn’t think to himself “maybe I am crossing a line” after the first one left crying. He needs help
He actually has 18 women who gave statements that Watson never acted inappropriate with them and they total over 130 massages during the 5 years he was there. If he gets 2 more accusers, he’ll tie Donald Trump. Something to strive for I guess
I saw the reporting too. 15 out of 66 women that we “worked” with said that they were not assaulted. More have said they were assaulted, or he touched himself and begged for sexual favors, but they didn’t come forward. You know, because they will be accused of being it for the money, questioned about the timing, or believed by people like, well… a bunch of you all! We all know the story, and we all know where Brownsbacker9 stands. Let no one question that Brownsbacker9 wholeheartedly supports Deshaun Watson, no matter what is said or how many say it.
And if he played for say Pittsburgh then Brownsbacker9 would be flooding the comments section trashing the Steelers for giving up a fortune to then sign this sexual deviant to a ridiculous contract.
Nope. I never did with Roethlisberger. I usually have to see evidence before I convict someone. You know, kinda the way our judicial system works
You and I are not the judicial system. We are fans making observations based on the available evidence. Judicial system takes away freedom. We are just debating whether or not we will support a team or an athlete with our money and time. Did you read the transcripts of the testimony these women gave? Are you looking at the available evidence? We all know that you are ride or die with Watson, but have you read one piece of testimony?
Have you read his testimony? I’m telling you he has major issues but I also follow the evidence and there really isn’t any or he’d been arrested and charged. I see his situation very similar to Trump’s. Lots of accusations and civil cases but so far no criminal charges. Trump is still able to pursue political office. Shouldn’t Watson be able to play football?
I have read his testimony. He is broken. He doesn’t know why women left their sessions crying. I believe him. Trump, Clinton, Watson, they should all be ostracized, but people make excuses and “don’t believe” the dozens of women that come forward. Here is the issue. For me, and many others, the sworn testimony of what will be 26 women is “the evidence” required to make a determination in this case. You would like video, physical, audio, or some other evidence beyond their sworn testimony. I don’t care if he plays football after serving a suspension for each of his violations of the conduct code. I wouldn’t root for, buy the jersey of, or watch a game that he is playing in. sponsors might not want anything to do with him or the Browns. You never answered the question I asked you. Did you read the testimony of any of the women? I answer all of your questions including who I voted for. I think that anyone who compromised their alleged values to vote for Trump have fake values and no principles. I think that they should be “allowed” to do whatever, but that they shouldn’t get any support from men who see their role as to lift up and protect the women in their families and communities.
I heard the testimony. I still believe that you must be charged with a crime. Just like I believe Watson is embellishing his statements, I believe some of these women are too. 9 women continued to see him after the so called assault. I don’t blame them for jumping in to possibly receiving settlement money even if they didn’t feel like it wasn’t consensual
Why does he have to be charged with a crime??? That is not what it states in the conduct code that he agreed to. The NFL does not require that a player be charged with a crime to be subject to penalty under the conduct code. I am talking about NFL penalties and the “court of public opinion”. Most of us understand the difference between the truth and what is provable in court. I accept that a Texas grand jury declined criminal charges, I’m talking about the truth. The truth is super gross for browns fans, but it is true nonetheless. It’s true that he has yet to be “charged with a crime”. I get that. I also get that what the women alleged is still true. I’m also positive that he will be in this situation again because he doesn’t even know why women left crying and people keep making excuses for his behavior.
How do you know that everything is true? I admit that something happened. So does he. I also believe he has a problem. I also said he should be suspended. My responses are to people that call him a rapist. I highly doubt he raped anyone. Have you heard his side of the story? No. The authorities have. Some of these women’s stories have changed. Some of these women were so distraught over what he did to them that they had to see him multiple times afterwards. I believe there are some women who were harmed by his actions but I also believe that some are in it for the money. From what I heard, he could have paid each one 100 thousand to make this go away
If half of what these women said in sworn testimony is true, then everything that I’ve said about Watson is true. The conclusion that I know is true is that this guy is a broken, slimeball, creep, one massage session away from his next victim. I wouldn’t want him in my City, on my team, or alone with a woman (none of his “massage therapists” were men? Weird?) Watson put himself in the position of receiving hurtful name-calling from other humans. I don’t feel bad, that based on his actions, people are calling him the “r” word or worse. That must be awful for him. I wonder what the women are being called without $250 (whatever it was) million to dry their tears. You and him are going to have to grow thicker skin if this is about name-calling. A lot more is coming. The reality of what happened will always be attached to Watson, and now also the Browns. I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Again. You have no proof. Do you know that one of the plaintiffs tried to blackmail him? Do you realize that 9 of the plaintiffs saw him multiple times afterwards? Why did the investigation not result in criminal charges? Out of all of these women, not one resulted in a criminal charge. Please refuse jury duty because you’d have your mind made up before any evidence is even entered
Again. This is not a court of law. It’s a comment section on a superfan site. I have read the sworn testimony and believe that it is true. I don’t need what you are calling evidence because this is not court, and I’m not taking away his freedom. I’m simply calling him a creep. That much we all have evidence for. Can’t be denied, no matter how much you try to defend him. If I were on a jury, then I would seek the kind of evidence you think I need. Just deciding on whether Watson is a slimeball is not hard, dawg.
I agree he’s a creep. I’m not denying that but I don’t think he should lose his livelihood. Most people want him banned for life or years. You keep saying that you don’t care about evidence or if he’s guilty in a court of law. I happen not to like married guys that cheat on their wives. Do we suspend those for violating the moral conduct rule?
Hmmm… maybe. I think that the NFL could punish a player for that if it embarrassed the league. I would have to read the conduct policy again. I think that an affair and other morally questionable activities are on a spectrum. While failing to come to a complete stop and DUI are both traffic violations, clearly one is more serious. It’s not that I don’t care about evidence, it’s that I accept the women at the word as evidence because this is not a court of law. I think it is fair for him to serve a suspension for each violation of the conduct policy, and then he and the Browns can do whatever they want. I won’t watch him, and I know he and you don’t care if I do or don’t. I also think it’s fair for anyone to make any judgements or use any name-calling they want to because of his actions and choices. And also BTW that was a guaranteed contract, so I’m pretty sure his “livelihood” is ok. He will have so much money he can pay off this set of victims and several more.
Players don’t get paid for suspensions. Duh!! That’s why people are saying the Browns structured his contract where he only gets paid 1 million this year so that he doesn’t lose that much money. I believe the women too but I don’t believe that they were traumatized by the incident.
Also not for nothing but if I’m a woman working at a legit massage parlor and someone asks me for sex or a happy ending and I’m so insulted and feel harassed they even asked … I’m running out of the room, telling my boss and filing charges. Im not going to continue the session, collect payment and then wait months or years to come forth with my accusation. If my boss ignored my cry for help, I’m hiring a lawyer and/or going to the police. If you want to argue that women don’t have these rights or aren’t aware they do, then that’s BS. Especially after the Weinstein and me too movement stuff.
From a criminal justice standpoint, why couldn’t the police keep this quiet after a few accusations, and then get a warrant for a wire or bug in the room? That’s how we handle murder, fraud and other criminal cases. That way it doesn’t come down to a he said she said civil trial. The only investigation is meetings and taking statements? Has the local police or FBI looked into the parlors to see if they’re a happy ending or sex racquet?
Maybe all 26 women or 25 out of the 26 needed the first to come forward publicly in order to feel brave enough to come forward? But that doesn’t make sense to me. I’ve heard the argument that how can 26 women be lying? But just as logical is the question, how can 26 women all not come forward right away? All 26 held it in? Not one was bold enough to report these incidents right away? I’m very interested to hear the results of the investigation and the trial if it’s made public.
I have no horse in this race. Im not a Watson or browns fan. He never was on any of my fantasy teams. Im a minority, I have mostly women in my family including my two kids being female. I hate d-bag guys who take advantage of wonen. I don’t vote, so im not politically biased. I just use my common sense when considering these issues.
Regardless of what anyone thinks, the young man is paid now. The NFL let him get paid. They’re going to let him play and continue his career. He’s going to do a lot of charity work and people will get over this. You wanna get upset and call for his head then so be it, but it’s not happening. Worst case is that he pays those women money in the civil trial and misses most or all of another season. There’s simply not enough evidence for any other outcome to be possible
Well said
Uh, 24 or more have all come out and said the same thing and a large group of people still say they are lying, so this notion that any one of them should have had no problem coming forward because OBVIOUSLY they’d be believed with their lone story is dubious, at best.
So if that’s the case, how do ANY rapes EVER get reported? We’ve had women accuse Harvey Weinstein and President Trump, both are a lot more powerful than Deshaun Watson. You just insulted women when you said that not one of them is strong enough to report a rape. Wow!!!
Or I quoted them.
Stop being human trash just because your football has never won a thing.
Also, try to pay attention…the same situation occurred with Dimwit and Weinstein and Cosby and Matt Lauer and the list goes on…they waited.
The part where people like you refuse to believe them even it’s 24+ to 1 and they are “outnumbered” is often cited by women as the reason they won’t come forward.
The part where it’s really hard to convict “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a he said/she said case is another big one, so you are asking them to further ruin their own lives for no reason.
And then still trashing them when they do what you ask.
I’ve never trashed them. I said multiple times that Watson is a pervert and should receive a suspension. People are calling him a rapist and think he deserves to be suspended for life. That’s ridiculous. He should get no more than an 8 game suspension for violating the NFL’s moral conduct code. Do you even admit that some if not most of the women are in it for a payday? There’s almost half the women who continued to give him massages after the so called sexual assault. There are almost just as many women who said nothing like that happened during the 5 years they gave him massages. The biggest takeaway is that out of all 24 women, the investigators couldn’t find enough evidence that a crime took place. Not one woman came forward until he demanded a trade. You’re right, I wouldn’t feel that strongly about Watson if he doesn’t play for the Browns but when this first came out, I still had the same opinion. You’re a Steelers fan so I know why you don’t like it. I guess you can wear your #7 jersey proudly
I’m a Penguins fan and I have called Ben a rapist for years.
Nice attempt at equivalency, though.
Your moral high ground is a ditch.
Penguins? Why do you hang out on PFR?
It’s not moral h8gh ground. It’s called evidence. What evidence do you have that the authorities don’t? Do everyone a favor and never serve on a jury. Seems like you have your mind made up before the trial starts
Do yourself a favor and understand the difference in obligations between a juror and a non-juror.
A juror must essentially be able/willing to begin a specific trial as a blank slate, bringing no preconceptions and rendering judgment based solely on the evidence presented at trial.
The REST of us have no obligation to pretend to NOT know what is obvious.
One jury either didn’t understand DNA evidence or had an agenda and acquitted OJ Simpson. The rest of the world has NO obligation to pretend he’s innocent.
This isn’t a criminal case, and you know that. What is true and what is provable in court are often very different things. You shouldn’t serve on a jury, but you might benefit from watching an episode or two of Judge Judy!
I’m glad you know how many games he should get, but why. Shouldn’t each incident be it’s own violation of the conduct code? Why should he get a bundle package for what we know is at least 24 accusations? Even 1 game per incident would be a very lenient one game per violation of the code. I’m not saying you are wrong about what the suspension will be, I’m wondering why you think he shouldn’t have to answer for each violation of the code.
Of course they said the same thing. They represented by the same lawyer. You can’t be that naive
The other outcome is that he settles with these women and the next set of women are right behind them because he is a serial predator with a real problem. Plus, his reputation and the reputation of the Browns is forever tarnished. He and they are gross. Nobody has the right to question how and when these women “came forward”. I’m really glad you all know just what to do when you are assaulted. I’m sorry they didn’t respond quickly enough to satisfy you. Read their testimony. Don’t take anybodies word for it. Not mine for sure. Read it. Dude is gross and sick.
Look what happened to the woman who Kobe raped. So many death threats it made her sick
I bet the league wishes now that criminal charges would have been filed against him so they could be rid of this guy. What a mess. No pun intended.
66 different message therapists, 24 of them involve in this civil suit. Over one in three.
If you had a need for a professional message, would it take 66 different therapists to find a competent one?
This man has a sexual addiction. Perhaps he was never raised with healthy expectations
Many men treat women as objects. This highly paid and popular NFL quarterback has used this method to get unsuspecting women to meet his sexual need
I would have more respect for him if he went to a prostitute. Then he would not take advantage of women just trying to make a honest living
Shame on him
His denial is proof of his reprobate mind. Man up Watson. You are guilty as sin.
Profess your addiction. Accept your NFL punishment and move on from this charade .
If you are a woman you should be outraged at the NFL’s lack of action on this issue. Michael Vick was suspended for two years over dog fighting – but Watson gets nothing for assaulting dozens and dozens of women?
Allegedly. Grand Juries pretty much said that there was not enough to warrant a crime took place. He’s definitely a pervert and should and will be suspended.
Just think! They could have offered Mayfield half what they will pay Watson! And they would have kept draft picks! And could have signed a FA WR but N O we get this….
Haslams suck
And not been the biggest scum bag franchise in sports today